Die Situation im Irak

Original geschrieben von small Vegeta
Wieso, ich habe nie gesagt, das die amis da eingegriffen haben, um den menschen was gutes zu tun. Das die da nur eingegriffen ahben, damit der Ölpreis nicht in den himmel steigt, ist mir schon klar, aber das ist nichts böses, es ist einfgach nur nichts gutes.
Im golfkrieg wurden antürlich auch ziviele einrichtungen bombardiert, wenn auch nicht unbedingt extra, aber Konterfeit hat ja von andauert wiederkommenden bombardierungen geredet, und die gehen nur gegen militärische einrichtungen!
Ich sag ja nicht, das die amis gute menschen sind, aber es ist doch wohl nichts böses einen diktato, der massenhaft menschen umbringt und nachbarstaaten kaputthauen will zu vernichten.
Und das in kuhweit(keine ahnung wies geschrieben wird :D) noch amis stationiert sind ist auch nötig, sonst würde saddam da gleich wieder zuschlagen!

Also deine Kommentare sind die naivsten, die ich seit langem gehört habe.

1. Nervengas hat er gegen Aufrührer eingesetzt. Das ist nicht sehr menschlich, aber durch die Zustimmung der Mehrheit demokratisch. -.-
2. Medizinische Produkte werden aufgrund ihrer Komponenten, die man möglicherweise für C-Waffen verwenden könnte, so gut wie keine ins Land gelassen. Mit Penicillin kann man leider so gut wie keine Krankheiten mehr eindämmen, geschweige denn heilen, da die meisten Viren und Bakterien dagegen längst immun sind.
3. Die Strahlung an einigen Orten gleicht der im Umkreis von Tschernobyl. Zudem gehen viele Menschen auf die Schlachtfelder um die Wracks zu fleddern. Und wie gesagt, 500% Krebsratenzuwachs. Ich glaub, beim Blutkrebs sind´s aber nur 300%. -_-
4. Uranmunition wird auch gegen Panzer u.ä. eingesetzt. Und du glaubst doch nicht im Ernst, dass die die Munition wieder rausnehmen und wechseln, wenn mal ein paar Fusssoldaten vorbeikommen. Du spinnst ganz einfach.
5. George Bush sr. hat Saddam aus Kalkulation an der Macht gelassen. Die religiösen Extremisten (die von Saddam nämlich auch verfolgt werden, da sie für ihn eine Gefährdung seiner Macht darstellen) standen schon bereit, um den Staat zu übernehmen. Zudem brauchen die USA einen Sündenbock, da es nämlich teurer ist, Bomben zu entsorgen, als sie abzuwerfen.
6. KUWAIT hat entgegen der Vereinbarungen der OPEC seine Fördermenge über alle Massen erhöht (wahrscheinlich auch auf Anraten der Amis, die einen Militärstützpunkt in Saudi-Arabien erzwingen wollten. Dazu musste aber erst die Bedrohung durch Hussein wirksam in Szene gesetzt werden.)
Damit hat Kuwait den vom 1.Golfkrieg wirtschaftlich sowieso schon geschwächten Irak an den Rande des Ruins getrieben. Hussein hat seine Truppen in Bewegung gesetzt. Daraufhin wiesen die USA ausdrücklich darauf hin, dass sie KEINERLEI BÜNDNISSE oder PÄKTE mit Kuwait hätten. Dann ist Saddam einmarschiert, die Saudis haben Schiss bekommen, und die USA hatten auf ganzer Linie gewonnen.
Ach und der Irak hatte NIE die dritt- oder zehnt- oder sonstwie grösste Armee. Dann hätten die USA nämlich nicht so leicht gewonnen. Der Widerstand der Irakis war annähernd Null. Das war eine Lüge, um die Saudis zu verängstigen, damit sie der Militärbasis zustimmen.
7. Bombardements nur gegen militärische Ziele???
Wo lebst du? das ist zum ersten gar nicht machbar, 100%ig zu unterscheiden zwischen mil. und ziv.
Zum zweiten gibt es kaum noch nutzbare mil. Einrichtungen im Irak.
Zum Dritten provozieren die USA ja wohl die Reaktionen Saddams, die ihnen erlauben, zu bomben.
8.Du glaubst ernsthaft, dass Saddam Kuwait nochmal angreift?
9. Warum haben sie das dann nicht schon längst getan und ihn abgesetzt?
 
Original geschrieben von Konterfeit


Also deine Kommentare sind die naivsten, die ich seit langem gehört habe.

1. Nervengas hat er gegen Aufrührer eingesetzt. Das ist nicht sehr menschlich, aber durch die Zustimmung der Mehrheit demokratisch. -.-
2. Medizinische Produkte werden aufgrund ihrer Komponenten, die man möglicherweise für C-Waffen verwenden könnte, so gut wie keine ins Land gelassen. Mit Penicillin kann man leider so gut wie keine Krankheiten mehr eindämmen, geschweige denn heilen, da die meisten Viren und Bakterien dagegen längst immun sind.
3. Die Strahlung an einigen Orten gleicht der im Umkreis von Tschernobyl. Zudem gehen viele Menschen auf die Schlachtfelder um die Wracks zu fleddern. Und wie gesagt, 500% Krebsratenzuwachs. Ich glaub, beim Blutkrebs sind´s aber nur 300%. -_-
4. Uranmunition wird auch gegen Panzer u.ä. eingesetzt. Und du glaubst doch nicht im Ernst, dass die die Munition wieder rausnehmen und wechseln, wenn mal ein paar Fusssoldaten vorbeikommen. Du spinnst ganz einfach.
5. George Bush sr. hat Saddam aus Kalkulation an der Macht gelassen. Die religiösen Extremisten (die von Saddam nämlich auch verfolgt werden, da sie für ihn eine Gefährdung seiner Macht darstellen) standen schon bereit, um den Staat zu übernehmen. Zudem brauchen die USA einen Sündenbock, da es nämlich teurer ist, Bomben zu entsorgen, als sie abzuwerfen.
6. KUWAIT hat entgegen der Vereinbarungen der OPEC seine Fördermenge über alle Massen erhöht (wahrscheinlich auch auf Anraten der Amis, die einen Militärstützpunkt in Saudi-Arabien erzwingen wollten. Dazu musste aber erst die Bedrohung durch Hussein wirksam in Szene gesetzt werden.)
Damit hat Kuwait den vom 1.Golfkrieg wirtschaftlich sowieso schon geschwächten Irak an den Rande des Ruins getrieben. Hussein hat seine Truppen in Bewegung gesetzt. Daraufhin wiesen die USA ausdrücklich darauf hin, dass sie KEINERLEI BÜNDNISSE oder PÄKTE mit Kuwait hätten. Dann ist Saddam einmarschiert, die Saudis haben Schiss bekommen, und die USA hatten auf ganzer Linie gewonnen.
Ach und der Irak hatte NIE die dritt- oder zehnt- oder sonstwie grösste Armee. Dann hätten die USA nämlich nicht so leicht gewonnen. Der Widerstand der Irakis war annähernd Null. Das war eine Lüge, um die Saudis zu verängstigen, damit sie der Militärbasis zustimmen.
7. Bombardements nur gegen militärische Ziele???
Wo lebst du? das ist zum ersten gar nicht machbar, 100%ig zu unterscheiden zwischen mil. und ziv.
Zum zweiten gibt es kaum noch nutzbare mil. Einrichtungen im Irak.
Zum Dritten provozieren die USA ja wohl die Reaktionen Saddams, die ihnen erlauben, zu bomben.
8.Du glaubst ernsthaft, dass Saddam Kuwait nochmal angreift?
9. Warum haben sie das dann nicht schon längst getan und ihn abgesetzt?
1. gegen aufrührer? Ich weiss nicht genau, aber die hatten einfach nur nicht die gleiche meinung wie er!
2. hast du ne Ahnung, die würden genug medizinische sachen ins land lassen, und man kann mit Penicillin immer noch die meisten krankheiten heilen. Natürlich nicht alles, aber die wichtigste sachen schon, und es ist doch vernünftig ihm keine grundstoffe für chemische waffen zu geben.
3. Es stimmt einfach nicht, das die stahlung da so hoch ist, keine Ahnung wo du diesen müll her hast, dass die krebsrate erhöt ist stimmt schon, das kann aber auch dran liegen, das da noch überall reste von seinen chemiewaffen übrig sind, oder vielleicht, weil er alle Ölquellen in kuhweit angezündet hat, und das kann ja auch nicht allzugesund sein, der rauch der dabei entsteht, und ausserdem ist die ganze umwelt im irak im *****.
4. bis dadrauf, dass ich spinne magst du recht haben.
5. mag zum teil stimmen, aber wenn die amis das land unter ihre kontrolle gebracht hätten, hätten sie auch gegen die religiösen Extremisten vorgehen können,es lag auch dadran, das sie keinen häuserkampf in bagdad wollten, weil saddam so feige ist und sich immer hinter zivilisten verstckt.
Hast du ne ahnung, was son krieg kostet? anscheinend nicht. Und wieso sollten die amis soviele bomben loswerden wollen?
6. Das ist docheinfach nur eine lächerliche verschwörungstheorie :rofl: Und ich seh auch nicht, was das an saddams aktionen besser machen würde.
7. wie gesagt, im Golfkrieg war es auch gegen ziv. einrichtungen, aber die bombadierungen, die es alle paar monate mal gibt sind nur gegen mil. einrichtungen, wenn die flugzeuge bedroht werden, und das geht schlecht mit ziv. einrichtungen.
8. der typ ist ein Psychopath, dem trau ich alles zu, schliesslich hat er da auch alle ölquellen angezündet.
9. weil sie sich bis jetzt nnoch nicht so bedroht gefühlt haben, oder keinen vorzeigbaren grund hatten.

Und das land ist wirtschaftlich so kaputt gegangen, weil saddam massenhaft Geld für die Rüstung ausgegeben hat, und sich selber auf jedem Quadratkilometer(übertrieben) des iraks ein Extrem teuren "prasidentan Palst" oder sowas gebaut hat.
 
Original geschrieben von small Vegeta
1. gegen aufrührer? Ich weiss nicht genau, aber die hatten einfach nur nicht die gleiche meinung wie er!

giftgas hat er in erster linie gegen kurden eingesetzt, was zwar ne verdammte sauerei und extrem unmenschlich ist (da muss man sich nur mal die bilder von den opfern reinziehen..), allerdings scheint hier der westen mal wieder mit zweierlei mass zu messen. denn die kurdenproblematik beschränkt sich ja nicht nur auf den irak, sondern etliche staaten, die allesamt mit einer ähnliche brutalität vorgehen, insbesondere die türken. da die aber schon halbe europäer und nato-mitglied sind darf man sie natürlich nicht kritisieren...
 
Original geschrieben von small Vegeta
1. gegen aufrührer? Ich weiss nicht genau, aber die hatten einfach nur nicht die gleiche meinung wie er!
2. hast du ne Ahnung, die würden genug medizinische sachen ins land lassen, und man kann mit Penicillin immer noch die meisten krankheiten heilen. Natürlich nicht alles, aber die wichtigste sachen schon, und es ist doch vernünftig ihm keine grundstoffe für chemische waffen zu geben.
3. Es stimmt einfach nicht, das die stahlung da so hoch ist, keine Ahnung wo du diesen müll her hast, dass die krebsrate erhöt ist stimmt schon, das kann aber auch dran liegen, das da noch überall reste von seinen chemiewaffen übrig sind, oder vielleicht, weil er alle Ölquellen in kuhweit angezündet hat, und das kann ja auch nicht allzugesund sein, der rauch der dabei entsteht, und ausserdem ist die ganze umwelt im irak im *****.
4. bis dadrauf, dass ich spinne magst du recht haben.
5. mag zum teil stimmen, aber wenn die amis das land unter ihre kontrolle gebracht hätten, hätten sie auch gegen die religiösen Extremisten vorgehen können,es lag auch dadran, das sie keinen häuserkampf in bagdad wollten, weil saddam so feige ist und sich immer hinter zivilisten verstckt.
Hast du ne ahnung, was son krieg kostet? anscheinend nicht. Und wieso sollten die amis soviele bomben loswerden wollen?
6. Das ist docheinfach nur eine lächerliche verschwörungstheorie :rofl: Und ich seh auch nicht, was das an saddams aktionen besser machen würde.
7. wie gesagt, im Golfkrieg war es auch gegen ziv. einrichtungen, aber die bombadierungen, die es alle paar monate mal gibt sind nur gegen mil. einrichtungen, wenn die flugzeuge bedroht werden, und das geht schlecht mit ziv. einrichtungen.
8. der typ ist ein Psychopath, dem trau ich alles zu, schliesslich hat er da auch alle ölquellen angezündet.
9. weil sie sich bis jetzt nnoch nicht so bedroht gefühlt haben, oder keinen vorzeigbaren grund hatten.

Und das land ist wirtschaftlich so kaputt gegangen, weil saddam massenhaft Geld für die Rüstung ausgegeben hat, und sich selber auf jedem Quadratkilometer(übertrieben) des iraks ein Extrem teuren "prasidentan Palst" oder sowas gebaut hat.
2. Du hast keinen Plan. Informier dich mal richtig.
3. Du hast keinen Plan. Informier dich mal richtig.
5. Die irakische Armee war komplett zerschlagen. Da war niemand mehr, der die Amis hätte aufhalten können. Ausserdem hätten die die Stadt auch einfach zerbomben können. Haben sie ja vorher auch gemacht.
Ach ja, die Paläste wurden fast alle vor den Golfkriegen gebaut. Da war der Irak ja auch noch das reichste Land Arabiens.
6. Du hast keinen Plan. Das ist Fakt, keine Theorie. Ich sage schon, wenn ich mich auf Theorien berufe.
7. Die Amerikaner SAGEN, dass es nur gegen mil. Einrichtunggen geht. Im Kosovo haben sie aber auch Krankenhäuser bombardiert. Und das haben sie auch schon bei den Bombardements im Irak gemacht. Nur die NAchrichten von da werden ja alle strengstens zensiert.
8. Na und? Politik der verbrannten Erde nennt man das. Gängige Kriegstaktik.
9. Sie wussten doch, dass er terroristische Gruppen unterstützt, dass er Leute foltert und tötet und die Menschenrechte und Bürgerrechte vollkommen ignoriert. Ohne den Golfkrieg hätte Saddam auch innerhalb von höchstens 15 Jahren die Bombe gehabt. Das wussten sie alles. Aber es war ihnen egal.
 
ich würde bei einem anzeichen von militärischer aktivität (ABC, Bio-Waffen) sofort alles platt machen, könnt ja sein, dass der den 3. Weltkrieg plant, und wenn man vorher nicht einschreitet, gibts später ein paar tausend (oder auch millionen) tote mehr.

siehe WWII:
Die Franzosen und Briten hattn nicht den mumm bereits vorher politisch oder militärisch gegen H vorzugehn, genug chancen hats gegeben, ihr wisst ja was dabei raus gekommen is. hätte H eine klatsche schon vor kriegsausbruch, oder kurz danach gekriggt, hätt er sicherlich etwas mehr respekt gehabt. und seine kriegsmaschinerie wär zurück geworfen worden.
 
Original geschrieben von Konterfeit

2. Du hast keinen Plan. Informier dich mal richtig.
3. Du hast keinen Plan. Informier dich mal richtig.
5. Die irakische Armee war komplett zerschlagen. Da war niemand mehr, der die Amis hätte aufhalten können. Ausserdem hätten die die Stadt auch einfach zerbomben können. Haben sie ja vorher auch gemacht.
Ach ja, die Paläste wurden fast alle vor den Golfkriegen gebaut. Da war der Irak ja auch noch das reichste Land Arabiens.
6. Du hast keinen Plan. Das ist Fakt, keine Theorie. Ich sage schon, wenn ich mich auf Theorien berufe.
7. Die Amerikaner SAGEN, dass es nur gegen mil. Einrichtunggen geht. Im Kosovo haben sie aber auch Krankenhäuser bombardiert. Und das haben sie auch schon bei den Bombardements im Irak gemacht. Nur die NAchrichten von da werden ja alle strengstens zensiert.
8. Na und? Politik der verbrannten Erde nennt man das. Gängige Kriegstaktik.
9. Sie wussten doch, dass er terroristische Gruppen unterstützt, dass er Leute foltert und tötet und die Menschenrechte und Bürgerrechte vollkommen ignoriert. Ohne den Golfkrieg hätte Saddam auch innerhalb von höchstens 15 Jahren die Bombe gehabt. Das wussten sie alles. Aber es war ihnen egal.
Du hast keinen Plan. Informier dich mal richtig. Und das nächste mal am besten bei irgendeiner neutralen Quelle.

Original geschrieben von Elite-Sayajin
ich würde bei einem anzeichen von militärischer aktivität (ABC, Bio-Waffen) sofort alles platt machen, könnt ja sein, dass der den 3. Weltkrieg plant, und wenn man vorher nicht einschreitet, gibts später ein paar tausend (oder auch millionen) tote mehr.

siehe WWII:
Die Franzosen und Briten hattn nicht den mumm bereits vorher politisch oder militärisch gegen H vorzugehn, genug chancen hats gegeben, ihr wisst ja was dabei raus gekommen is. hätte H eine klatsche schon vor kriegsausbruch, oder kurz danach gekriggt, hätt er sicherlich etwas mehr respekt gehabt. und seine kriegsmaschinerie wär zurück geworfen worden.
Das B von ABC steht schon für Bio :)
Du hast vollkommen recht, aber versuch das mal den fans von diesem psychopathischen völkermordenden Terroristen(ich weiss, er ist eigentlich kein Terrorist) beizubringen :rolleyes:
 
Original geschrieben von Elite-Sayajin
ich würde bei einem anzeichen von militärischer aktivität (ABC, Bio-Waffen) sofort alles platt machen, könnt ja sein, dass der den 3. Weltkrieg plant, und wenn man vorher nicht einschreitet, gibts später ein paar tausend (oder auch millionen) tote mehr.

siehe WWII:
Die Franzosen und Briten hattn nicht den mumm bereits vorher politisch oder militärisch gegen H vorzugehn, genug chancen hats gegeben, ihr wisst ja was dabei raus gekommen is. hätte H eine klatsche schon vor kriegsausbruch, oder kurz danach gekriggt, hätt er sicherlich etwas mehr respekt gehabt. und seine kriegsmaschinerie wär zurück geworfen worden.

der vergleich ist doch völlig absurd, die situation ist eine ganz andere. und natürlich ist die appeasement-politik von den briten damals kläglich gescheitert, das heisst aber noch lange nicht, dass sie grundsätzlich der falsche ansatz ist. denn mit krieg und gewalt sät man lediglich gegenwalt, zuerst also den friedlichen weg solange zu gehen, bis man wirklich keine andere wahl mehr hat muss von da her ganz klare doktrin der europäischen politik bleiben.
und wenn man deine idee aufgreifen würde, dann wäre sicher nicht der irak das erste ziel, denn dann müsste man zuerst mal u.a. die usa, russland, england, australien, deutschland, frankreich, indien, pakistan, israel, türkei, italien, china, japan und noch ne reihe anderer staaten dem erdboben gleich machen. viel spass..
 
Original geschrieben von small Vegeta
Du hast keinen Plan. Informier dich mal richtig. Und das nächste mal am besten bei irgendeiner neutralen Quelle.
:dodgy:
Meine Quelle war die neutralste, die ich mir vorstellen kann.
Nämlich das staatliche Fernsehen. Wenn sogar die öffentlich-rechtlichen solche Dokumentationen ausstrahlen, dann muss es wirklich brenzlig da unten sein. Die schärfsten Szenen haben sie rausgeschnitten. Aber das war das erste mal in meinem Leben, dass ich vor Mitleid Tränen in den Augen hatte.

Aber du beziehst dein Infos ja anscheinend von den Ansprachen amerikanischer Spitzenpolitiker. Du siehst es anscheinend auch als bewiesen an, dass Ussama Ibn Ladin hinter dem WTC-Attentat steht.

Du bist einfach naiv. PUNKT!

(ach und Antibiotika helfen gegen Krankheiten. Penicillin ist ein Antibiotkum. Aber Penicillin ist derart oft eingesetzt worden, dass die Viren grösstenteils dagegen immun geworden sind. Daher hat es kaum noch Wirkung.)

Abgesehen davon sterben die Leute dort nicht an Grippe -.-
 
Was ist das hier? Kaffekränzchen der Anti-Amerikanischen Alternativenfront?

Ich habe einen kleinen Text gefunden zum Thema "Verschiedene politische Ansichten in Europa und den USA". Ganz interessant geschrieben.

Power and Weakness

By Robert Kagan

Originally published in the June/July edition of Policy Review


It is time to stop pretending that Europeans and Americans share a common view of the world, or even that they occupy the same world. On the all-important question of power - the efficacy of power, the morality of power, the desirability of power - American and European perspectives are diverging. Europe is turning away from power, or to put it a little differently, it is moving beyond power into a self-contained world of laws and rules and transnational negotiation and cooperation. It is entering a post-historical paradise of peace and relative prosperity, the realization of Kant's "Perpetual Peace." The United States, meanwhile, remains mired in history, exercising power in the anarchic Hobbesian world where international laws and rules are unreliable and where true security and the defense and promotion of a liberal order still depend on the possession and use of military might. That is why on major strategic and international questions today, Americans are from Mars and Europeans are from Venus: They agree on little and understand one another less and less. And this state of affairs is not transitory - the product of one American election or one catastrophic event. The reasons for the transatlantic divide are deep, long in development, and likely to endure. When it comes to setting national priorities, determining threats, defining challenges, and fashioning and implementing foreign and defense policies, the United States and Europe have parted ways.

It is easier to see the contrast as an American living in Europe. Europeans are more conscious of the growing differences, perhaps because they fear them more. European intellectuals are nearly unanimous in the conviction that Americans and Europeans no longer share a common "strategic culture." The European caricature at its most extreme depicts an America dominated by a "culture of death," its warlike temperament the natural product of a violent society where every man has a gun and the death penalty reigns. But even those who do not make this crude link agree there are profound differences in the way the United States and Europe conduct foreign policy.

The United States, they argue, resorts to force more quickly and, compared with Europe, is less patient with diplomacy. Americans generally see the world divided between good and evil, between friends and enemies, while Europeans see a more complex picture. When confronting real or potential adversaries, Americans generally favor policies of coercion rather than persuasion, emphasizing punitive sanctions over inducements to better behavior, the stick over the carrot. Americans tend to seek finality in international affairs: They want problems solved, threats eliminated. And, of course, Americans increasingly tend toward unilateralism in international affairs. They are less inclined to act through international institutions such as the United Nations, less inclined to work cooperatively with other nations to pursue common goals, more skeptical about international law, and more willing to operate outside its strictures when they deem it necessary, or even merely useful.1

Europeans insist they approach problems with greater nuance and sophistication. They try to influence others through subtlety and indirection. They are more tolerant of failure, more patient when solutions don't come quickly. They generally favor peaceful responses to problems, preferring negotiation, diplomacy, and persuasion to coercion. They are quicker to appeal to international law, international conventions, and international opinion to adjudicate disputes. They try to use commercial and economic ties to bind nations together. They often emphasize process over result, believing that ultimately process can become substance.

This European dual portrait is a caricature, of course, with its share of exaggerations and oversimplifications. One cannot generalize about Europeans: Britons may have a more "American" view of power than many of their fellow Europeans on the continent. And there are differing perspectives within nations on both sides of the Atlantic. In the U.S., Democrats often seem more "European" than Republicans; Secretary of State Colin Powell may appear more "European" than Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Many Americans, especially among the intellectual elite, are as uncomfortable with the "hard" quality of American foreign policy as any European; and some Europeans value power as much as any American.

Nevertheless, the caricatures do capture an essential truth: The United States and Europe are fundamentally different today. Powell and Rumsfeld have more in common than do Powell and Hubert Védrine or even Jack Straw. When it comes to the use of force, mainstream American Democrats have more in common with Republicans than they do with most European Socialists and Social Democrats. During the 1990s even American liberals were more willing to resort to force and were more Manichean in their perception of the world than most of their European counterparts. The Clinton administration bombed Iraq, as well as Afghanistan and Sudan. European governments, it is safe to say, would not have done so. Whether they would have bombed even Belgrade in 1999, had the U.S. not forced their hand, is an interesting question.2

What is the source of these differing strategic perspectives? The question has received too little attention in recent years, either because foreign policy intellectuals and policymakers on both sides of the Atlantic have denied the existence of a genuine difference or because those who have pointed to the difference, especially in Europe, have been more interested in assailing the United States than in understanding why the United States acts as it does -or, for that matter, why Europe acts as it does. It is past time to move beyond the denial and the insults and to face the problem head-on.

Despite what many Europeans and some Americans believe, these differences in strategic culture do not spring naturally from the national characters of Americans and Europeans. After all, what Europeans now consider their more peaceful strategic culture is, historically speaking, quite new. It represents an evolution away from the very different strategic culture that dominated Europe for hundreds of years and at least until World War I. The European governments - and peoples - who enthusiastically launched themselves into that continental war believed in machtpolitik. While the roots of the present European worldview, like the roots of the European Union itself, can be traced back to the Enlightenment, Europe's great-power politics for the past 300 years did not follow the visionary designs of the philosophes and the physiocrats.

As for the United States, there is nothing timeless about the present heavy reliance on force as a tool of international relations, nor about the tilt toward unilateralism and away from a devotion to international law. Americans are children of the Enlightenment, too, and in the early years of the republic were more faithful apostles of its creed. America's eighteenth- and early nineteenth-century statesmen sounded much like the European statesmen of today, extolling the virtues of commerce as the soothing balm of international strife and appealing to international law and international opinion over brute force. The young United States wielded power against weaker peoples on the North American continent, but when it came to dealing with the European giants, it claimed to abjure power and assailed as atavistic the power politics of the eighteenth- and nineteenth-century European empires.

Two centuries later, Americans and Europeans have traded places - and perspectives. Partly this is because in those 200 years, but especially in recent decades, the power equation has shifted dramatically: When the United States was weak, it practiced the strategies of indirection, the strategies of weakness; now that the United States is powerful, it behaves as powerful nations do. When the European great powers were strong, they believed in strength and martial glory. Now, they see the world through the eyes of weaker powers. These very different points of view, weak versus strong, have naturally produced differing strategic judgments, differing assessments of threats and of the proper means of addressing threats, and even differing calculations of interest.

But this is only part of the answer. For along with these natural consequences of the transatlantic power gap, there has also opened a broad ideological gap. Europe, because of its unique historical experience of the past half-century - culminating in the past decade with the creation of the European Union - has developed a set of ideals and principles regarding the utility and morality of power different from the ideals and principles of Americans, who have not shared that experience. If the strategic chasm between the United States and Europe appears greater than ever today, and grows still wider at a worrying pace, it is because these material and ideological differences reinforce one another. The divisive trend they together produce may be impossible to reverse.

The power gap: perception and reality

Europe has been militarily weak for a long time, but until fairly recently its weakness had been obscured. World War II all but destroyed European nations as global powers, and their postwar inability to project sufficient force overseas to maintain colonial empires in Asia, Africa, and the Middle East forced them to retreat on a massive scale after more than five centuries of imperial dominance - perhaps the most significant retrenchment of global influence in human history. For a half-century after World War II, however, this weakness was masked by the unique geopolitical circumstances of the Cold War. Dwarfed by the two superpowers on its flanks, a weakened Europe nevertheless served as the central strategic theater of the worldwide struggle between communism and democratic capitalism. Its sole but vital strategic mission was to defend its own territory against any Soviet offensive, at least until the Americans arrived. Although shorn of most traditional measures of great-power status, Europe remained the geopolitical pivot, and this, along with lingering habits of world leadership, allowed Europeans to retain international influence well beyond what their sheer military capabilities might have afforded.

Europe lost this strategic centrality after the Cold War ended, but it took a few more years for the lingering mirage of European global power to fade. During the 1990s, war in the Balkans kept both Europeans and Americans focused on the strategic importance of the continent and on the continuing relevance of nato. The enlargement of nato to include former Warsaw Pact nations and the consolidation of the Cold War victory kept Europe in the forefront of the strategic discussion.

Then there was the early promise of the "new Europe." By bonding together into a single political and economic unit - the historic accomplishment of the Maastricht treaty in 1992 - many hoped to recapture Europe's old greatness but in a new political form. "Europe" would be the next superpower, not only economically and politically, but also militarily. It would handle crises on the European continent, such as the ethnic conflicts in the Balkans, and it would re-emerge as a global player. In the 1990s Europeans could confidently assert that the power of a unified Europe would restore, finally, the global "multipolarity" that had been destroyed by the Cold War and its aftermath. And most Americans, with mixed emotions, agreed that superpower Europe was the future. Harvard University's Samuel P. Huntington predicted that the coalescing of the European Union would be "the single most important move" in a worldwide reaction against American hegemony and would produce a "truly multipolar" twenty-first century.3

But European pretensions and American apprehensions proved unfounded. The 1990s witnessed not the rise of a European superpower but the decline of Europe into relative weakness. The Balkan conflict at the beginning of the decade revealed European military incapacity and political disarray; the Kosovo conflict at decade's end exposed a transatlantic gap in military technology and the ability to wage modern warfare that would only widen in subsequent years. Outside of Europe, the disparity by the close of the 1990s was even more starkly apparent as it became clear that the ability of European powers, individually or collectively, to project decisive force into regions of conflict beyond the continent was negligible. Europeans could provide peacekeeping forces in the Balkans - indeed, they could and eventually did provide the vast bulk of those forces in Bosnia and Kosovo. But they lacked the wherewithal to introduce and sustain a fighting force in potentially hostile territory, even in Europe. Under the best of circumstances, the European role was limited to filling out peacekeeping forces after the United States had, largely on its own, carried out the decisive phases of a military mission and stabilized the situation. As some Europeans put it, the real division of labor consisted of the United States "making the dinner" and the Europeans "doing the dishes."

This inadequacy should have come as no surprise, since these were the limitations that had forced Europe to retract its global influence in the first place. Those Americans and Europeans who proposed that Europe expand its strategic role beyond the continent set an unreasonable goal. During the Cold War, Europe's strategic role had been to defend itself. It was unrealistic to expect a return to international great-power status, unless European peoples were willing to shift significant resources from social programs to military programs.

Clearly they were not. Not only were Europeans unwilling to pay to project force beyond Europe. After the Cold War, they would not pay for sufficient force to conduct even minor military actions on the continent without American help. Nor did it seem to matter whether European publics were being asked to spend money to strengthen nato or an independent European foreign and defense policy. Their answer was the same. Rather than viewing the collapse of the Soviet Union as an opportunity to flex global muscles, Europeans took it as an opportunity to cash in on a sizable peace dividend. Average European defense budgets gradually fell below 2 percent of gdp. Despite talk of establishing Europe as a global superpower, therefore, European military capabilities steadily fell behind those of the United States throughout the 1990s.

The end of the Cold War had a very different effect on the other side of the Atlantic. For although Americans looked for a peace dividend, too, and defense budgets declined or remained flat during most of the 1990s, defense spending still remained above 3 percent of gdp. Fast on the heels of the Soviet empire's demise came Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and the largest American military action in a quarter-century. Thereafter American administrations cut the Cold War force, but not as dramatically as might have been expected. By historical standards, America's military power and particularly its ability to project that power to all corners of the globe remained unprecedented.

Meanwhile, the very fact of the Soviet empire's collapse vastly increased America's strength relative to the rest of the world. The sizable American military arsenal, once barely sufficient to balance Soviet power, was now deployed in a world without a single formidable adversary. This "unipolar moment" had an entirely natural and predictable consequence: It made the United States more willing to use force abroad. With the check of Soviet power removed, the United States was free to intervene practically wherever and whenever it chose - a fact reflected in the proliferation of overseas military interventions that began during the first Bush administration with the invasion of Panama in 1989, the Persian Gulf War in 1991, and the humanitarian intervention in Somalia in 1992, continuing during the Clinton years with interventions in Haiti, Bosnia, and Kosovo. While American politicians talked of pulling back from the world, the reality was an America intervening abroad more frequently than it had throughout most of the Cold War. Thanks to new technologies, the United States was also freer to use force around the world in more limited ways through air and missile strikes, which it did with increasing frequency.

How could this growing transatlantic power gap fail to create a difference in strategic perceptions? Even during the Cold War, American military predominance and Europe's relative weakness had produced important and sometimes serious disagreements. Gaullism, Ostpolitik, and the various movements for European independence and unity were manifestations not only of a European desire for honor and freedom of action. They also reflected a European conviction that America's approach to the Cold War was too confrontational, too militaristic, and too dangerous. Europeans believed they knew better how to deal with the Soviets: through engagement and seduction, through commercial and political ties, through patience and forbearance. It was a legitimate view, shared by many Americans. But it also reflected Europe's weakness relative to the United States, the fewer military options at Europe's disposal, and its greater vulnerability to a powerful Soviet Union. It may have reflected, too, Europe's memory of continental war. Americans, when they were not themselves engaged in the subtleties of détente, viewed the European approach as a form of appeasement, a return to the fearful mentality of the 1930s. But appeasement is never a dirty word to those whose genuine weakness offers few appealing alternatives. For them, it is a policy of sophistication.

The end of the Cold War, by widening the power gap, exacerbated the disagreements. Although transatlantic tensions are now widely assumed to have begun with the inauguration of George W. Bush in January 2001, they were already evident during the Clinton administration and may even be traced back to the administration of George H.W. Bush. By 1992, mutual recriminations were rife over Bosnia, where the United States refused to act and Europe could not act. It was during the Clinton years that Europeans began complaining about being lectured by the "hectoring hegemon." This was also the period in which Védrine coined the term hyperpuissance to describe an American behemoth too worryingly powerful to be designated merely a superpower. (Perhaps he was responding to then-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright's insistence that the United States was the world's "indispensable nation.") It was also during the 1990s that the transatlantic disagreement over American plans for missile defense emerged and many Europeans began grumbling about the American propensity to choose force and punishment over diplomacy and persuasion.

The Clinton administration, meanwhile, though relatively timid and restrained itself, grew angry and impatient with European timidity, especially the unwillingness to confront Saddam Hussein. The split in the alliance over Iraq didn't begin with the 2000 election but in 1997, when the Clinton administration tried to increase the pressure on Baghdad and found itself at odds with France and (to a lesser extent) Great Britain in the United Nations Security Council. Even the war in Kosovo was marked by nervousness among some allies - especially Italy, Greece, and Germany - that the United States was too uncompromisingly militaristic in its approach. And while Europeans and Americans ultimately stood together in the confrontation with Belgrade, the Kosovo war produced in Europe less satisfaction at the successful prosecution of the war than unease at America's apparent omnipotence. That apprehension would only increase in the wake of American military action after September 11, 2001.

The psychology of power and weakness

Today's transatlantic problem, in short, is not a George Bush problem. It is a power problem. American military strength has produced a propensity to use that strength. Europe's military weakness has produced a perfectly understandable aversion to the exercise of military power. Indeed, it has produced a powerful European interest in inhabiting a world where strength doesn't matter, where international law and international institutions predominate, where unilateral action by powerful nations is forbidden, where all nations regardless of their strength have equal rights and are equally protected by commonly agreed-upon international rules of behavior. Europeans have a deep interest in devaluing and eventually eradicating the brutal laws of an anarchic, Hobbesian world where power is the ultimate determinant of national security and success.

This is no reproach. It is what weaker powers have wanted from time immemorial. It was what Americans wanted in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, when the brutality of a European system of power politics run by the global giants of France, Britain, and Russia left Americans constantly vulnerable to imperial thrashing. It was what the other small powers of Europe wanted in those years, too, only to be sneered at by Bourbon kings and other powerful monarchs, who spoke instead of raison d'état. The great proponent of international law on the high seas in the eighteenth century was the United States; the great opponent was Britain's navy, the "Mistress of the Seas." In an anarchic world, small powers always fear they will be victims. Great powers, on the other hand, often fear rules that may constrain them more than they fear the anarchy in which their power brings security and prosperity.

This natural and historic disagreement between the stronger and the weaker manifests itself in today's transatlantic dispute over the question of unilateralism. Europeans generally believe their objection to American unilateralism is proof of their greater commitment to certain ideals concerning world order. They are less willing to acknowledge that their hostility to unilateralism is also self-interested. Europeans fear American unilateralism. They fear it perpetuates a Hobbesian world in which they may become increasingly vulnerable. The United States may be a relatively benign hegemon, but insofar as its actions delay the arrival of a world order more conducive to the safety of weaker powers, it is objectively dangerous.

This is one reason why in recent years a principal objective of European foreign policy has become, as one European observer puts it, the "multilateralising" of the United States.4 It is not that Europeans are teaming up against the American hegemon, as Huntington and many realist theorists would have it, by creating a countervailing power. After all, Europeans are not increasing their power. Their tactics, like their goal, are the tactics of the weak. They hope to constrain American power without wielding power themselves. In what may be the ultimate feat of subtlety and indirection, they want to control the behemoth by appealing to its conscience.

It is a sound strategy, as far as it goes. The United States is a behemoth with a conscience. It is not Louis xiv's France or George iii's England. Americans do not argue, even to themselves, that their actions may be justified by raison d'état. Americans have never accepted the principles of Europe's old order, never embraced the Machiavellian perspective. The United States is a liberal, progressive society through and through, and to the extent that Americans believe in power, they believe it must be a means of advancing the principles of a liberal civilization and a liberal world order. Americans even share Europe's aspirations for a more orderly world system based not on power but on rules - after all, they were striving for such a world when Europeans were still extolling the laws of machtpolitik.

But while these common ideals and aspirations shape foreign policies on both sides of the Atlantic, they cannot completely negate the very different perspectives from which Europeans and Americans view the world and the role of power in international affairs. Europeans oppose unilateralism in part because they have no capacity for unilateralism. Polls consistently show that Americans support multilateral action in principle - they even support acting under the rubric of the United Nations - but the fact remains that the United States can act unilaterally, and has done so many times with reasonable success. For Europeans, the appeal to multilateralism and international law has a real practical payoff and little cost. For Americans, who stand to lose at least some freedom of action, support for universal rules of behavior really is a matter of idealism.

Even when Americans and Europeans can agree on the kind of world order they would strive to build, however, they increasingly disagree about what constitutes a threat to that international endeavor. Indeed, Europeans and Americans differ most these days in their evaluation of what constitutes a tolerable versus an intolerable threat. This, too, is consistent with the disparity of power.

Europeans often argue that Americans have an unreasonable demand for "perfect" security, the product of living for centuries shielded behind two oceans.5 Europeans claim they know what it is like to live with danger, to exist side-by-side with evil, since they've done it for centuries. Hence their greater tolerance for such threats as may be posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq or the ayatollahs' Iran. Americans, they claim, make far too much of the dangers these regimes pose.
Even before September 11, this argument rang a bit hollow. The United States in its formative decades lived in a state of substantial insecurity, surrounded by hostile European empires, at constant risk of being torn apart by centrifugal forces that were encouraged by threats from without: National insecurity formed the core of Washington's Farewell Address. As for the Europeans' supposed tolerance for insecurity and evil, it can be overstated. For the better part of three centuries, European Catholics and Protestants more often preferred to kill than to tolerate each other; nor have the past two centuries shown all that much mutual tolerance between Frenchmen and Germans.

Some Europeans argue that precisely because Europe has suffered so much, it has a higher tolerance for suffering than America and therefore a higher tolerance for threats. More likely the opposite is true. The memory of their horrendous suffering in World War I made the British and French publics more fearful of Nazi Germany, not more tolerant, and this attitude contributed significantly to the appeasement of the 1930s.

A better explanation of Europe's greater tolerance for threats is, once again, Europe's relative weakness. Tolerance is also very much a realistic response in that Europe, precisely because it is weak, actually faces fewer threats than the far more powerful United States.

The psychology of weakness is easy enough to understand. A man armed only with a knife may decide that a bear prowling the forest is a tolerable danger, inasmuch as the alternative - hunting the bear armed only with a knife - is actually riskier than lying low and hoping the bear never attacks. The same man armed with a rifle, however, will likely make a different calculation of what constitutes a tolerable risk. Why should he risk being mauled to death if he doesn't need to?

This perfectly normal human psychology is helping to drive a wedge between the United States and Europe today. Europeans have concluded, reasonably enough, that the threat posed by Saddam Hussein is more tolerable for them than the risk of removing him. But Americans, being stronger, have reasonably enough developed a lower threshold of tolerance for Saddam and his weapons of mass destruction, especially after September 11. Europeans like to say that Americans are obsessed with fixing problems, but it is generally true that those with a greater capacity to fix problems are more likely to try to fix them than those who have no such capability. Americans can imagine successfully invading Iraq and toppling Saddam, and therefore more than 70 percent of Americans apparently favor such action. Europeans, not surprisingly, find the prospect both unimaginable and frightening.

The incapacity to respond to threats leads not only to tolerance but sometimes to denial. It's normal to try to put out of one's mind that which one can do nothing about. According to one student of European opinion, even the very focus on "threats" differentiates American policymakers from their European counterparts. Americans, writes Steven Everts, talk about foreign "threats" such as "the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, terrorism, and 'rogue states.'" But Europeans look at "challenges," such as "ethnic conflict, migration, organized crime, poverty and environmental degradation." As Everts notes, however, the key difference is less a matter of culture and philosophy than of capability. Europeans "are most worried about issues . . . that have a greater chance of being solved by political engagement and huge sums of money." In other words, Europeans focus on issues - "challenges" - where European strengths come into play but not on those "threats" where European weakness makes solutions elusive. If Europe's strategic culture today places less value on power and military strength and more value on such soft-power tools as economics and trade, isn't it partly because Europe is militarily weak and economically strong? Americans are quicker to acknowledge the existence of threats, even to perceive them where others may not see any, because they can conceive of doing something to meet those threats.

The differing threat perceptions in the United States and Europe are not just matters of psychology, however. They are also grounded in a practical reality that is another product of the disparity of power. For Iraq and other "rogue" states objectively do not pose the same level of threat to Europeans as they do to the United States. There is, first of all, the American security guarantee that Europeans enjoy and have enjoyed for six decades, ever since the United States took upon itself the burden of maintaining order in far-flung regions of the world - from the Korean Peninsula to the Persian Gulf - from which European power had largely withdrawn. Europeans generally believe, whether or not they admit it to themselves, that were Iraq ever to emerge as a real and present danger, as opposed to merely a potential danger, then the United States would do something about it - as it did in 1991. If during the Cold War Europe by necessity made a major contribution to its own defense, today Europeans enjoy an unparalleled measure of "free security" because most of the likely threats are in regions outside Europe, where only the United States can project effective force. In a very practical sense - that is, when it comes to actual strategic planning - neither Iraq nor Iran nor North Korea nor any other "rogue" state in the world is primarily a European problem. Nor, certainly, is China. Both Europeans and Americans agree that these are primarily American problems.

This is why Saddam Hussein is not as great a threat to Europe as he is to the United States. He would be a greater threat to the United States even were the Americans and Europeans in complete agreement on Iraq policy, because it is the logical consequence of the transatlantic disparity of power. The task of containing Saddam Hussein belongs primarily to the United States, not to Europe, and everyone agrees on this6 - including Saddam, which is why he considers the United States, not Europe, his principal adversary. In the Persian Gulf, in the Middle East, and in most other regions of the world (including Europe), the United States plays the role of ultimate enforcer. "You are so powerful," Europeans often say to Americans. "So why do you feel so threatened?" But it is precisely America's great power that makes it the primary target, and often the only target. Europeans are understandably content that it should remain so.

Americans are "cowboys," Europeans love to say. And there is truth in this. The United States does act as an international sheriff, self-appointed perhaps but widely welcomed nevertheless, trying to enforce some peace and justice in what Americans see as a lawless world where outlaws need to be deterred or destroyed, and often through the muzzle of a gun. Europe, by this old West analogy, is more like a saloonkeeper. Outlaws shoot sheriffs, not saloonkeepers. In fact, from the saloonkeeper's point of view, the sheriff trying to impose order by force can sometimes be more threatening than the outlaws who, at least for the time being, may just want a drink.

When Europeans took to the streets by the millions after September 11, most Americans believed it was out of a sense of shared danger and common interest: The Europeans knew they could be next. But Europeans by and large did not feel that way and still don't. Europeans do not really believe they are next. They may be secondary targets - because they are allied with the U.S. - but they are not the primary target, because they no longer play the imperial role in the Middle East that might have engendered the same antagonism against them as is aimed at the United States. When Europeans wept and waved American flags after September 11, it was out of genuine human sympathy, sorrow, and affection for Americans. For better or for worse, European displays of solidarity were a product more of fellow-feeling than self-interest.

The origins of modern European foreign policy

Important as the power gap may be in shaping the respective strategic cultures of the United States and Europe, it is only one part of the story. Europe in the past half-century has developed a genuinely different perspective on the role of power in international relations, a perspective that springs directly from its unique historical experience since the end of World War II. It is a perspective that Americans do not share and cannot share, inasmuch as the formative historical experiences on their side of the Atlantic have not been the same.

Consider again the qualities that make up the European strategic culture: the emphasis on negotiation, diplomacy, and commercial ties, on international law over the use of force, on seduction over coercion, on multilateralism over unilateralism. It is true that these are not traditionally European approaches to international relations when viewed from a long historical perspective. But they are a product of more recent European history. The modern European strategic culture represents a conscious rejection of the European past, a rejection of the evils of European machtpolitik. It is a reflection of Europeans' ardent and understandable desire never to return to that past. Who knows better than Europeans the dangers that arise from unbridled power politics, from an excessive reliance on military force, from policies produced by national egoism and ambition, even from balance of power and raison d'état? As German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer put it in a speech outlining his vision of the European future at Humboldt University in Berlin (May 12, 2000), "The core of the concept of Europe after 1945 was and still is a rejection of the European balance-of-power principle and the hegemonic ambitions of individual states that had emerged following the Peace of Westphalia in 1648." The European Union is itself the product of an awful century of European warfare.

Of course, it was the "hegemonic ambitions" of one nation in particular that European integration was meant to contain. And it is the integration and taming of Germany that is the great accomplishment of Europe - viewed historically, perhaps the greatest feat of international politics ever achieved. Some Europeans recall, as Fischer does, the central role played by the United States in solving the "German problem." Fewer like to recall that the military destruction of Nazi Germany was the prerequisite for the European peace that followed. Most Europeans believe that it was the transformation of European politics, the deliberate abandonment and rejection of centuries of machtpolitik, that in the end made possible the "new order." The Europeans, who invented power politics, turned themselves into born-again idealists by an act of will, leaving behind them what Fischer called "the old system of balance with its continued national orientation, constraints of coalition, traditional interest-led politics and the permanent danger of nationalist ideologies and confrontations."

Fischer stands near one end of the spectrum of European idealism. But this is not really a right-left issue in Europe. Fischer's principal contention - that Europe has moved beyond the old system of power politics and discovered a new system for preserving peace in international relations - is widely shared across Europe. As senior British diplomat Robert Cooper recently wrote in the Observer (April 7, 2002), Europe today lives in a "postmodern system" that does not rest on a balance of power but on "the rejection of force" and on "self-enforced rules of behavior." In the "postmodern world," writes Cooper, "raison d'état and the amorality of Machiavelli's theories of statecraft . . . have been replaced by a moral consciousness" in international affairs.

American realists might scoff at this idealism. George F. Kennan assumed only his naïve fellow Americans succumbed to such "Wilsonian" legalistic and moralistic fancies, not those war-tested, historically minded European Machiavels. But, really, why shouldn't Europeans be idealistic about international affairs, at least as they are conducted in Europe's "postmodern system"? Within the confines of Europe, the age-old laws of international relations have been repealed. Europeans have stepped out of the Hobbesian world of anarchy into the Kantian world of perpetual peace. European life during the more than five decades since the end of World War II has been shaped not by the brutal laws of power politics but by the unfolding of a geopolitical fantasy, a miracle of world-historical importance: The German lion has laid down with the French lamb. The conflict that ravaged Europe ever since the violent birth of Germany in the nineteenth century has been put to rest.

The means by which this miracle has been achieved have understandably acquired something of a sacred mystique for Europeans, especially since the end of the Cold War. Diplomacy, negotiations, patience, the forging of economic ties, political engagement, the use of inducements rather than sanctions, the taking of small steps and tempering ambitions for success - these were the tools of Franco-German rapprochement and hence the tools that made European integration possible. Integration was not to be based on military deterrence or the balance of power. Quite the contrary. The miracle came from the rejection of military power and of its utility as an instrument of international affairs - at least within the confines of Europe. During the Cold War, few Europeans doubted the need for military power to deter the Soviet Union. But within Europe the rules were different.

Collective security was provided from without, meanwhile, by the deus ex machina of the United States operating through the military structures of nato. Within this wall of security, Europeans pursued their new order, freed from the brutal laws and even the mentality of power politics. This evolution from the old to the new began in Europe during the Cold War. But the end of the Cold War, by removing even the external danger of the Soviet Union, allowed Europe's new order, and its new idealism, to blossom fully. Freed from the requirements of any military deterrence, internal or external, Europeans became still more confident that their way of settling international problems now had universal application.

"The genius of the founding fathers," European Commission President Romano Prodi commented in a speech at the Institute d'Etudes Politiques in Paris (May 29, 2001), "lay in translating extremely high political ambitions . . . into a series of more specific, almost technical decisions. This indirect approach made further action possible. Rapprochement took place gradually. From confrontation we moved to willingness to cooperate in the economic sphere and then on to integration." This is what many Europeans believe they have to offer the world: not power, but the transcendence of power. The "essence" of the European Union, writes Everts, is "all about subjecting inter-state relations to the rule of law," and Europe's experience of successful multilateral governance has in turn produced an ambition to convert the world. Europe "has a role to play in world 'governance,'" says Prodi, a role based on replicating the European experience on a global scale. In Europe "the rule of law has replaced the crude interplay of power . . . power politics have lost their influence." And by "making a success of integration we are demonstrating to the world that it is possible to create a method for peace."

No doubt there are Britons, Germans, French, and others who would frown on such exuberant idealism. But many Europeans, including many in positions of power, routinely apply Europe's experience to the rest of the world. For is not the general European critique of the American approach to "rogue" regimes based on this special European insight? Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Libya - these states may be dangerous and unpleasant, even evil. But might not an "indirect approach" work again, as it did in Europe? Might it not be possible once more to move from confrontation to rapprochement, beginning with cooperation in the economic sphere and then moving on to peaceful integration? Could not the formula that worked in Europe work again with Iran or even Iraq? A great many Europeans insist that it can.

The transmission of the European miracle to the rest of the world has become Europe's new mission civilatrice. Just as Americans have always believed that they had discovered the secret to human happiness and wished to export it to the rest of the world, so the Europeans have a new mission born of their own discovery of perpetual peace.

Thus we arrive at what may be the most important reason for the divergence in views between Europe and the United States. America's power, and its willingness to exercise that power - unilaterally if necessary - represents a threat to Europe's new sense of mission. Perhaps the greatest threat. American policymakers find it hard to believe, but leading officials and politicians in Europe worry more about how the United States might handle or mishandle the problem of Iraq - by undertaking unilateral and extralegal military action - than they worry about Iraq itself and Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. And while it is true that they fear such action might destabilize the Middle East and lead to the unnecessary loss of life, there is a deeper concern.7 Such American action represents an assault on the essence of "postmodern" Europe. It is an assault on Europe's new ideals, a denial of their universal validity, much as the monarchies of eighteenth- and nineteenth-century Europe were an assault on American republican ideals. Americans ought to be the first to understand that a threat to one's beliefs can be as frightening as a threat to one's physical security.

As Americans have for two centuries, Europeans speak with great confidence of the superiority of their global understanding, the wisdom they have to offer other nations about conflict resolution, and their way of addressing international problems. But just as in the first decade of the American republic, there is a hint of insecurity in the European claim to "success," an evident need to have their success affirmed and their views accepted by other nations, particularly by the mighty United States. After all, to deny the validity of the new European idealism is to raise profound doubts about the viability of the European project. If international problems cannot, in fact, be settled the European way, wouldn't that suggest that Europe itself may eventually fall short of a solution, with all the horrors this implies?

And, of course, it is precisely this fear that still hangs over Europeans, even as Europe moves forward. Europeans, and particularly the French and Germans, are not entirely sure that the problem once known as the "German problem" really has been solved. As their various and often very different proposals for the future constitution of Europe suggest, the French are still not confident they can trust the Germans, and the Germans are still not sure they can trust themselves. This fear can at times hinder progress toward deeper integration, but it also propels the European project forward despite innumerable obstacles. The European project must succeed, for how else to overcome what Fischer, in his Humboldt University speech, called "the risks and temptations objectively inherent in Germany's dimensions and central situation"? Those historic German "temptations" play at the back of many a European mind. And every time Europe contemplates the use of military force, or is forced to do so by the United States, there is no avoiding at least momentary consideration of what effect such a military action might have on the "German question."

Perhaps it is not just coincidence that the amazing progress toward European integration in recent years has been accompanied not by the emergence of a European superpower but, on the contrary, by a diminishing of European military capabilities relative to the United States. Turning Europe into a global superpower capable of balancing the power of the United States may have been one of the original selling points of the European Union - an independent European foreign and defense policy was supposed to be one of the most important byproducts of European integration. But, in truth, the ambition for European "power" is something of an anachronism. It is an atavistic impulse, inconsistent with the ideals of postmodern Europe, whose very existence depends on the rejection of power politics. Whatever its architects may have intended, European integration has proved to be the enemy of European military power and, indeed, of an important European global role.

This phenomenon has manifested itself not only in flat or declining European defense budgets, but in other ways, too, even in the realm of "soft" power. European leaders talk of Europe's essential role in the world. Prodi yearns "to make our voice heard, to make our actions count." And it is true that Europeans spend a great deal of money on foreign aid - more per capita, they like to point out, than does the United States. Europeans engage in overseas military missions, so long as the missions are mostly limited to peacekeeping. But while the eu periodically dips its fingers into troubled international waters in the Middle East or the Korean Peninsula, the truth is that eu foreign policy is probably the most anemic of all the products of European integration. As Charles Grant, a sympathetic observer of the eu, recently noted, few European leaders "are giving it much time or energy."8 eu foreign policy initiatives tend to be short-lived and are rarely backed by sustained agreement on the part of the various European powers. That is one reason they are so easily rebuffed, as was the case in late March when Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon blocked eu foreign policy chief Javier Solana from meeting with Yasser Arafat (only to turn around the next day and allow a much lower-ranking American negotiator to meet with the Palestinian leader).

It is obvious, moreover, that issues outside of Europe don't attract nearly as much interest among Europeans as purely European issues do. This has surprised and frustrated Americans on all sides of the political and strategic debate: Recall the profound disappointment of American liberals when Europeans failed to mount an effective protest against Bush's withdrawal from the abm treaty. But given the enormous and difficult agenda of integration, this European tendency to look inward is understandable. eu enlargement, the revision of the common economic and agricultural policies, the question of national sovereignty versus supranational governance, the so-called democracy deficit, the jostling of the large European powers, the dissatisfaction of the smaller powers, the establishment of a new European constitution - all of these present serious and unavoidable challenges. The difficulties of moving forward might seem insuperable were it not for the progress the project of European integration has already demonstrated.

American policies that are unwelcome on substance - on a missile defense system and the abm treaty, belligerence toward Iraq, support for Israel - are all the more unwelcome because for Europe, they are a distraction. Europeans often point to American insularity and parochialism. But Europeans themselves have turned intensely introspective. As Dominique Moisi noted in the Financial Times (March 11, 2002), the recent French presidential campaign saw "no reference . . . to the events of September 11 and their far-reaching consequences." No one asked, "What should be the role of France and Europe in the new configuration of forces created after September 11? How should France reappraise its military budget and doctrine to take account of the need to maintain some kind of parity between Europe and the United States, or at least between France and the uk?" The Middle East conflict became an issue in the campaign because of France's large Arab and Muslim population, as the high vote for Le Pen demonstrated. But Le Pen is not a foreign policy hawk. And as Moisi noted, "for most French voters in 2002, security has little to do with abstract and distant geopolitics. Rather, it is a question of which politician can best protect them from the crime and violence plaguing the streets and suburbs of their cities."

Can Europe change course and assume a larger role on the world stage? There has been no shortage of European leaders urging it to do so. Nor is the weakness of eu foreign policy today necessarily proof that it must be weak tomorrow, given the eu's record of overcoming weaknesses in other areas. And yet the political will to demand more power for Europe appears to be lacking, and for the very good reason that Europe does not see a mission for itself that requires power. Its mission is to oppose power. It is revealing that the argument most often advanced by Europeans for augmenting their military strength these days is not that it will allow Europe to expand its strategic purview. It is merely to rein in and "multilateralize" the United States. "America," writes the pro-American British scholar Timothy Garton Ash in the New York Times (April 9, 2002), "has too much power for anyone's good, including its own." Therefore Europe must amass power, but for no other reason than to save the world and the United States from the dangers inherent in the present lopsided situation.

Whether that particular mission is a worthy one or not, it seems unlikely to rouse European passions. Even Védrine has stopped talking about counterbalancing the United States. Now he shrugs and declares there "is no reason for the Europeans to match a country that can fight four wars at once." It was one thing for Europe in the 1990s to increase its collective expenditures on defense from $150 billion per year to $180 billion when the United States was spending $280 billion per year. But now the United States is heading toward spending as much as $500 billion per year, and Europe has not the slightest intention of keeping up. European analysts lament the continent's "strategic irrelevance." nato Secretary General George Robertson has taken to calling Europe a "military pygmy" in an effort to shame Europeans into spending more and doing so more wisely. But who honestly believes Europeans will fundamentally change their way of doing business? They have many reasons not to.

The U.S. response

In thinking about the divergence of their own views and Europeans', Americans must not lose sight of the main point: The new Europe is indeed a blessed miracle and a reason for enormous celebration - on both sides of the Atlantic. For Europeans, it is the realization of a long and improbable dream: a continent free from nationalist strife and blood feuds, from military competition and arms races. War between the major European powers is almost unimaginable. After centuries of misery, not only for Europeans but also for those pulled into their conflicts - as Americans were twice in the past century - the new Europe really has emerged as a paradise. It is something to be cherished and guarded, not least by Americans, who have shed blood on Europe's soil and would shed more should the new Europe ever fail.

Nor should we forget that the Europe of today is very much the product of American foreign policy stretching back over six decades. European integration was an American project, too, after World War II. And so, recall, was European weakness. When the Cold War dawned, Americans such as Dean Acheson hoped to create in Europe a powerful partner against the Soviet Union. But that was not the only American vision of Europe underlying U.S. policies during the twentieth century. Predating it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt's vision of a Europe that had been rendered, in effect, strategically irrelevant. As the historian John Lamberton Harper has put it, he wanted "to bring about a radical reduction in the weight of Europe" and thereby make possible "the retirement of Europe from world politics."9

Americans who came of age during the Cold War have always thought of Europe almost exclusively in Achesonian terms - as the essential bulwark of freedom in the struggle against Soviet tyranny. But Americans of Roosevelt's era had a different view. In the late 1930s the common conviction of Americans was that "the European system was basically rotten, that war was endemic on that continent, and the Europeans had only themselves to blame for their plight."10 By the early 1940s Europe appeared to be nothing more than the overheated incubator of world wars that cost America dearly. During World War II Americans like Roosevelt, looking backward rather than forward, believed no greater service could be performed than to take Europe out of the global strategic picture once and for all. "After Germany is disarmed," fdr pointedly asked, "what is the reason for France having a big military establishment?" Charles DeGaulle found such questions "disquieting for Europe and for France." Even though the United States pursued Acheson's vision during the Cold War, there was always a part of American policy that reflected Roosevelt's vision, too. Eisenhower undermining Britain and France at Suez was only the most blatant of many American efforts to cut Europe down to size and reduce its already weakened global influence.

But the more important American contribution to Europe's current world-apart status stemmed not from anti-European but from pro-European impulses. It was a commitment to Europe, not hostility to Europe, that led the United States in the immediate postwar years to keep troops on the continent and to create nato. The presence of American forces as a security guarantee in Europe was, as it was intended to be, the critical ingredient to begin the process of European integration.

Europe's evolution to its present state occurred under the mantle of the U.S. security guarantee and could not have occurred without it. Not only did the United States for almost half a century supply a shield against such external threats as the Soviet Union and such internal threats as may have been posed by ethnic conflict in places like the Balkans. More important, the United States was the key to the solution of the German problem and perhaps still is. Germany's Fischer, in the Humboldt University speech, noted two "historic decisions" that made the new Europe possible: "the usa's decision to stay in Europe" and "France's and Germany's commitment to the principle of integration, beginning with economic links." But of course the latter could never have occurred without the former. France's willingness to risk the reintegration of Germany into Europe - and France was, to say the least, highly dubious - depended on the promise of continued American involvement in Europe as a guarantee against any resurgence of German militarism. Nor were postwar Germans unaware that their own future in Europe depended on the calming presence of the American military.

The United States, in short, solved the Kantian paradox for the Europeans. Kant had argued that the only solution to the immoral horrors of the Hobbesian world was the creation of a world government. But he also feared that the "state of universal peace" made possible by world government would be an even greater threat to human freedom than the Hobbesian international order, inasmuch as such a government, with its monopoly of power, would become "the most horrible despotism."11 How nations could achieve perpetual peace without destroying human freedom was a problem Kant could not solve. But for Europe the problem was solved by the United States. By providing security from outside, the United States has rendered it unnecessary for Europe's supranational government to provide it. Europeans did not need power to achieve peace and they do not need power to preserve it.

The current situation abounds in ironies. Europe's rejection of power politics, its devaluing of military force as a tool of international relations, have depended on the presence of American military forces on European soil. Europe's new Kantian order could flourish only under the umbrella of American power exercised according to the rules of the old Hobbesian order. American power made it possible for Europeans to believe that power was no longer important. And now, in the final irony, the fact that United States military power has solved the European problem, especially the "German problem," allows Europeans today to believe that American military power, and the "strategic culture" that has created and sustained it, are outmoded and dangerous.

Most Europeans do not see the great paradox: that their passage into post-history has depended on the United States not making the same passage. Because Europe has neither the will nor the ability to guard its own paradise and keep it from being overrun, spiritually as well as physically, by a world that has yet to accept the rule of "moral consciousness," it has become dependent on America's willingness to use its military might to deter or defeat those around the world who still believe in power politics.

Some Europeans do understand the conundrum. Some Britons, not surprisingly, understand it best. Thus Robert Cooper writes of the need to address the hard truth that although "within the postmodern world [i.e., the Europe of today], there are no security threats in the traditional sense," nevertheless, throughout the rest of the world - what Cooper calls the "modern and pre-modern zones" - threats abound. If the postmodern world does not protect itself, it can be destroyed. But how does Europe protect itself without discarding the very ideals and principles that undergird its pacific system?

"The challenge to the postmodern world," Cooper argues, "is to get used to the idea of double standards." Among themselves, Europeans may "operate on the basis of laws and open cooperative security." But when dealing with the world outside Europe, "we need to revert to the rougher methods of an earlier era - force, preemptive attack, deception, whatever is necessary." This is Cooper's principle for safeguarding society: "Among ourselves, we keep the law but when we are operating in the jungle, we must also use the laws of the jungle."

Cooper's argument is directed at Europe, and it is appropriately coupled with a call for Europeans to cease neglecting their defenses, "both physical and psychological." But what Cooper really describes is not Europe's future but America's present. For it is the United States that has had the difficult task of navigating between these two worlds, trying to abide by, defend, and further the laws of advanced civilized society while simultaneously employing military force against those who refuse to abide by those rules. The United States is already operating according to Cooper's double standard, and for the very reasons he suggests. American leaders, too, believe that global security and a liberal order - as well as Europe's "postmodern" paradise - cannot long survive unless the United States does use its power in the dangerous, Hobbesian world that still flourishes outside Europe.

What this means is that although the United States has played the critical role in bringing Europe into this Kantian paradise, and still plays a key role in making that paradise possible, it cannot enter this paradise itself. It mans the walls but cannot walk through the gate. The United States, with all its vast power, remains stuck in history, left to deal with the Saddams and the ayatollahs, the Kim Jong Ils and the Jiang Zemins, leaving the happy benefits to others.

An acceptable division?

Is this situation tolerable for the United States? In many ways, it is. Contrary to what many believe, the United States can shoulder the burden of maintaining global security without much help from Europe. The United States spends a little over 3 percent of its gdp on defense today. Were Americans to increase that to 4 percent - meaning a defense budget in excess of $500 billion per year - it would still represent a smaller percentage of national wealth than Americans spent on defense throughout most of the past half-century. Even Paul Kennedy, who invented the term "imperial overstretch" in the late 1980s (when the United States was spending around 7 percent of its gdp on defense), believes the United States can sustain its current military spending levels and its current global dominance far into the future. Can the United States handle the rest of the world without much help from Europe? The answer is that it already does. The United States has maintained strategic stability in Asia with no help from Europe. In the Gulf War, European help was token; so it has been more recently in Afghanistan, where Europeans are once again "doing the dishes"; and so it would be in an invasion of Iraq to unseat Saddam. Europe has had little to offer the United States in strategic military terms since the end of the Cold War - except, of course, that most valuable of strategic assets, a Europe at peace.

The United States can manage, therefore, at least in material terms. Nor can one argue that the American people are unwilling to shoulder this global burden, since they have done so for a decade already. After September 11, they seem willing to continue doing so for a long time to come. Americans apparently feel no resentment at not being able to enter a "postmodern" utopia. There is no evidence most Americans desire to. Partly because they are so powerful, they take pride in their nation's military power and their nation's special role in the world.

Americans have no experience that would lead them to embrace fully the ideals and principles that now animate Europe. Indeed, Americans derive their understanding of the world from a very different set of experiences. In the first half of the twentieth century, Americans had a flirtation with a certain kind of internationalist idealism. Wilson's "war to end all wars" was followed a decade later by an American secretary of state putting his signature to a treaty outlawing war. fdr in the 1930s put his faith in non-aggression pacts and asked merely that Hitler promise not to attack a list of countries Roosevelt presented to him. But then came Munich and Pearl Harbor, and then, after a fleeting moment of renewed idealism, the plunge into the Cold War. The "lesson of Munich" came to dominate American strategic thought, and although it was supplanted for a time by the "lesson of Vietnam," today it remains the dominant paradigm. While a small segment of the American elite still yearns for "global governance" and eschews military force, Americans from Madeleine Albright to Donald Rumsfeld, from Brent Scowcroft to Anthony Lake, still remember Munich, figuratively if not literally. And for younger generations of Americans who do not remember Munich or Pearl Harbor, there is now September 11. After September 11, even many American globalizers demand blood.

Americans are idealists, but they have no experience of promoting ideals successfully without power. Certainly, they have no experience of successful supranational governance; little to make them place their faith in international law and international institutions, much as they might wish to; and even less to let them travel, with the Europeans, beyond power. Americans, as good children of the Enlightenment, still believe in the perfectibility of man, and they retain hope for the perfectibility of the world. But they remain realists in the limited sense that they still believe in the necessity of power in a world that remains far from perfection. Such law as there may be to regulate international behavior, they believe, exists because a power like the United States defends it by force of arms. In other words, just as Europeans claim, Americans can still sometimes see themselves in heroic terms - as Gary Cooper at high noon. They will defend the townspeople, whether the townspeople want them to or not.

The problem lies neither in American will or capability, then, but precisely in the inherent moral tension of the current international situation. As is so often the case in human affairs, the real question is one of intangibles - of fears, passions, and beliefs. The problem is that the United States must sometimes play by the rules of a Hobbesian world, even though in doing so it violates European norms. It must refuse to abide by certain international conventions that may constrain its ability to fight effectively in Robert Cooper's jungle. It must support arms control, but not always for itself. It must live by a double standard. And it must sometimes act unilaterally, not out of a passion for unilateralism but, given a weak Europe that has moved beyond power, because the United States has no choice but to act unilaterally.

Few Europeans admit, as Cooper does implicitly, that such American behavior may redound to the greater benefit of the civilized world, that American power, even employed under a double standard, may be the best means of advancing human progress - and perhaps the only means. Instead, many Europeans today have come to consider the United States itself to be the outlaw, a rogue colossus. Europeans have complained about President Bush's "unilateralism," but they are coming to the deeper realization that the problem is not Bush or any American president. It is systemic. And it is incurable.

Given that the United States is unlikely to reduce its power and that Europe is unlikely to increase more than marginally its own power or the will to use what power it has, the future seems certain to be one of increased transatlantic tension. The danger - if it is a danger - is that the United States and Europe will become positively estranged. Europeans will become more shrill in their attacks on the United States. The United States will become less inclined to listen, or perhaps even to care. The day could come, if it has not already, when Americans will no more heed the pronouncements of the eu than they do the pronouncements of asean or the Andean Pact.

To those of us who came of age in the Cold War, the strategic decoupling of Europe and the United States seems frightening. DeGaulle, when confronted by fdr's vision of a world where Europe was irrelevant, recoiled and suggested that this vision "risked endangering the Western world." If Western Europe was to be considered a "secondary matter" by the United States, would not fdr only "weaken the very cause he meant to serve - that of civilization?" Western Europe, DeGaulle insisted, was "essential to the West. Nothing can replace the value, the power, the shining example of the ancient peoples." Typically, DeGaulle insisted this was "true of France above all." But leaving aside French amour propre, did not DeGaulle have a point? If Americans were to decide that Europe was no more than an irritating irrelevancy, would American society gradually become unmoored from what we now call the West? It is not a risk to be taken lightly, on either side of the Atlantic.

So what is to be done? The obvious answer is that Europe should follow the course that Cooper, Ash, Robertson, and others recommend and build up its military capabilities, even if only marginally. There is not much ground for hope that this will happen. But, then, who knows? Maybe concern about America's overweening power really will create some energy in Europe. Perhaps the atavistic impulses that still swirl in the hearts of Germans, Britons, and Frenchmen - the memory of power, international influence, and national ambition - can still be played upon. Some Britons still remember empire; some Frenchmen still yearn for la gloire; some Germans still want their place in the sun. These urges are now mostly channeled into the grand European project, but they could find more traditional expression. Whether this is to be hoped for or feared is another question. It would be better still if Europeans could move beyond fear and anger at the rogue colossus and remember, again, the vital necessity of having a strong America - for the world and especially for Europe.

Americans can help. It is true that the Bush administration came into office with a chip on its shoulder. It was hostile to the new Europe - as to a lesser extent was the Clinton administration - seeing it not so much as an ally but as an albatross. Even after September 11, when the Europeans offered their very limited military capabilities in the fight in Afghanistan, the United States resisted, fearing that European cooperation was a ruse to tie America down. The Bush administration viewed nato's historic decision to aid the United States under Article V less as a boon than as a booby trap. An opportunity to draw Europe into common battle out in the Hobbesian world, even in a minor role, was thereby unnecessarily lost.

Americans are powerful enough that they need not fear Europeans, even when bearing gifts. Rather than viewing the United States as a Gulliver tied down by Lilliputian threads, American leaders should realize that they are hardly constrained at all, that Europe is not really capable of constraining the United States. If the United States could move past the anxiety engendered by this inaccurate sense of constraint, it could begin to show more understanding for the sensibilities of others, a little generosity of spirit. It could pay its respects to multilateralism and the rule of law and try to build some international political capital for those moments when multilateralism is impossible and unilateral action unavoidable. It could, in short, take more care to show what the founders called a "decent respect for the opinion of mankind."

These are small steps, and they will not address the deep problems that beset the transatlantic relationship today. But, after all, it is more than a cliché that the United States and Europe share a set of common Western beliefs. Their aspirations for humanity are much the same, even if their vast disparity of power has now put them in very different places. Perhaps it is not too naïvely optimistic to believe that a little common understanding could still go a long way.
 
"Todesurteile in Minuten"
Interview mit murad mohammad*, dem Beauftragten für Menschenrechtsfragen des Oppositionsverbandes Iraqi National Congress in Arbil/Irakisch-Kurdistan

Sie sammeln seit Jahren Informationen über Haftbedingungen und Hinrichtungen im Irak. Wie viele Menschen sind augenblicklich im Irak inhaftiert?

Es ist für uns sehr schwer, Ihnen diese Frage genau zu beantworten, weil es im Irak neben den regulären Gefängnissen viele geheime Haftanstalten gibt. Aber wenn man alle uns bekannten Gefängnisse zusammenzählt, lassen sich Schätzungen abgeben. Wir vermuten, dass die Zahl der Inhaftierten im Irak zwischen 700 000 und einer Million Menschen liegt. Diese Zahlen beziehen sich auf alle Inhaftierten, also auch auf Untersuchungsgefangene, Gefangene, die ohne Haftbefehl festgehalten werden, und Insassen von Militärgefängnissen.
Das größte Gefängnis liegt in Bagdad und heißt Abu Graib, dort sind 5 000 bis 6 000 Menschen inhaftiert. Alleine in Bagdad gibt es noch fünf weitere Gefängnisse, die alle überfüllt sind. Zusätzlich unterhält jeder der Geheimdienste eigene Gefängnisse, ebenso das Militär und das Innenministerium. Dann gibt es noch die so genannten Detention Camps, in denen Leute ohne Haftbefehl und konkrete Anklage festgehalten werden.

Wie ist die Situation der Gefangenen?

Die allgemeinen Bedingungen in den Gefängnissen sind grauenhaft. Abgesehen von regelmäßig angewandter brutaler Folterung sterben dort täglich Menschen an Unterernährung oder weil ihnen Medikamente und ärztliche Versorgung vorenthalten werden. Nur in Abu Graib, wo auch diejenigen sitzen, die regulär zu langen Haftstrafen verurteilt worden sind, ist die Situation der Gefangenen etwas besser, weil ihre Familien sie versorgen dürfen. Aber selbst in Abu Graib gibt es Trakte, zu denen die Familien keinen Zutritt haben. Und das sind auch die Sektionen, die den Menschenrechtsorganisationen und dem Roten Kreuz verschlossen bleiben. Dasselbe gilt natürlich für alle Geheimdienstgefängnisse.
Ausländische Organisationen dürfen nur mit Gefangenen sprechen, die von den Sicherheitsdiensten ausgewählt werden. Sie wurden vorher auf diese Treffen vorbereitet, um so ein beschönigendes Bild der Haftbedingungen zu zeichnen.

Seit längerem berichten irakische Oppositionelle, dass Inhaftierte systematisch ermordet werden. Können Sie dies bestätigen?

Ja, das ist völlig richtig. Es ist eines der vielen schweren Verbrechen des irakischen Regimes. Seit den Volksaufständen im Jahre 1991 gibt es immer wieder Massenverhaftungen von Leuten, die verdächtigt werden, der Opposition anzugehören oder sich dissident zu verhalten. Um die große Zahl von Verhafteten schnell aburteilen zu können, hat das Regime per Dekret Sondergerichte geschaffen, die in der Verfassung nicht vorgesehen sind. Der größte Inlandsgeheimdienst, die Sicherheitsdienste des Militärs und des Innenministeriums unterhalten derartige Schnell- oder Sondergerichte. Ein Gericht untersteht Saddam Hussein persönlich.
Die Verfahren sind geheim und den Angeklagten steht keinerlei Rechtsbeistand zu. Normalerweise werden sie angeklagt, Spione zu sein, Mordattentate gegen die politische Führung oder Sabotage geplant zu haben. In der Regel werden die Angeklagten dann innerhalb von Minuten für schuldig befunden, fast alle werden zum Tode verurteilt.

Werden die Verurteilten sofort hingerichtet?

Es gibt auch quasi standrechtliche Erschießungen ohne jeden Prozess. Aber die von Sondergerichten Verurteilten lässt man warten, meist zwischen zwei und vier Wochen lang. Sie wissen, dass sie sterben werden, weil sie in besonderen Todestrakten inhaftiert sind. Aber den Tag ihrer Hinrichtung kennen sie bis zuletzt nicht. Zweimal wöchentlich finden regelmäßig Hinrichtungen statt, jeden Sonntag und jeden Mittwoch. Dabei werden jedesmal etwa 40 bis 50 Menschen getötet. Ihre Leichen werden in anonymen Massengräbern verscharrt. Üblicherweise sind an den Hinrichtungstagen Vertreter des Geheimdienstes und von Saddams Garden anwesend. Manchmal flehen die zum Tode Verurteilten in Gottes Namen um Gnade und ihnen wird geantwortet: Euer Gott ist Saddam Hussein, ihn könnt ihr anflehen.

Seit wann finden diese Exekutionen statt?

Wir wissen, dass seit 1994/95 in Abu Graib wöchentlich ungefähr 100 Menschen hingerichtet werden. Und wir reden die ganze Zeit nur über dieses Gefängnis, weil wir von dort verlässliche Zahlen und oft auch die Namen der Opfer haben. Gefangene können manchmal Kassiber herausschmuggeln. Es gibt auch einige Beamte, die uns mit Informationen versorgen. Doch auch in anderen Gefängnissen werden viele Menschen getötet. Wir haben da keine so genauen Informationen, aber wir wissen, dass es auch systematische Hinrichtungen in Mossul, Raduaniah und Al-Makassa gibt.

Demnach werden jede Woche 400 bis 500 Menschen in irakischen Gefängnissen exekutiert?

Davon müssen wir ausgehen, aber wir können die Zahl nur schätzen. Zusätzlich gibt es Exekutionen in den Detention Camps. Die dort Inhaftierten stammen aus verschiedenen Gruppen. Teilweise handelt es sich um Mitglieder der Baath-Partei selbst, die der Illoyalität angeklagt sind, etwa weil sie sich weigerten, an Verbrechen des Regimes teilzunehmen. Andere Gruppen bestehen aus Leuten mit einem religiösen Hintergrund, die zusammen mit ihren Familien in Untersuchungshaft genommen wurden. Wir sind sicher, dass sie diesen Säuberungen zum Opfer gefallen sind, weil es sehr lange her ist, dass man irgendetwas von ihnen gehört hat. Dann sind da noch beispielsweise jene etwa 8 000 Kommunisten, die 1978 festgenommen wurden. Bis heute weiß niemand, was mit ihnen wirklich geschehen ist. Wir gehen davon aus, dass sie getötet wurden.

Welche Schritte unternehmen Sie, um diese Verhältnisse zu ändern?

Nun, was in den Gefängnissen geschieht, zeigt das innerste Wesen dieses Regimes. Es kann nicht geändert, sondern nur abgeschafft werden. Wir versuchen auf verschiedenen Ebenen, das Regime zu bekämpfen. Eine Ebene ist die Forderung nach Durchsetzung der UN-Resolution 688, die vom irakischen Regime verlangt, die Unterdrückung der Bevölkerung zu beenden und die Bewegungsfreiheit für humanitäre Hilfsorganisationen zu gewährleisten. Außerdem unterstützen wir die internationale Kampagne, die Saddam Hussein und seine Clique vor ein internationales Tribunal stellen will.
Trotz intensiver Aufklärungsarbeit der irakischen Opposition haben viele Leute immer noch Illusionen über den Charakter dieses Regimes. So haben sich in letzter Zeit viele Menschen an so genannten Solidaritätsflügen in den Irak beteiligt, weil sie ihre Solidarität mit der irakischen Bevölkerung zeigen wollten. Diese Leute haben eine völlig verzerrtes Bild des Irak, und wir würden sie gerne bitten, einmal das Regime zu fragen, ob sie die Gefängnisse und Detention Camps aufsuchen können. Die Antwort des Regimes nämlich wäre Nein.

interview: djamila hassan
 
MIDDLE EAST REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS

"Sanctions on Iraq: A Valid Anti-American Grievance?"
By Michael Rubin
In his taped broadcast following the beginning of U.S. military action against Afghanistan in October 2001, Usama bin Ladin blamed the United States for the suffering of the Iraqi people. The claim that international sanctions have led to the death of one million Iraqis is often accepted at face value by academics, activists, UN officials, and even some policymakers. Tracing such claims to their origin, however, casts doubt not only on the numbers but also regarding the often-assumed linkage between sanctions and suffering in Iraq.

On October 7, as the U.S. military campaign against in Afghanistan began, the Qatar-based television station al-Jazeera broadcast a tape from Usama bin Ladin. In an effort to push populist buttons in the Middle East, bin Ladin blamed America for suffering in Iraq, declaring, "There are civilians, innocent children being killed every day in Iraq without any guilt, and we never hear anybody."(1)

Not only does bin Ladin's claim have an audience in the Islamic world for those believing that the United States seeks to undermine the Muslim nations, but also among many U.S. academics, journalists, and policymakers who readily accept claims that the U.S. is responsible for the deaths of more than a million Iraqis. For example, just two days after bin Ladin's video aired, Congressman Jim McDermott (D-WA) blamed sanctions for suffering in Iraq. The same day, the online political news magazine Slate declared (based on the statement of UNICEF director Carol Bellamy) in an article about the alleged death of one million children in Iraq that "UNICEF's data on Iraqi child mortality rates haven't been disputed."(2) Such claims have found a receptive audience on college campuses. For example, in April 1999, the Yale College government voted on behalf of the entire Yale University student body to condemn sanctions on Iraq.(3)

The claim that sanctions have caused upwards of one million deaths in Iraq has been so often repeated, it is now accepted as unquestioned truth. Perennial opponents of U.S. policy Noam Chomsky and Edward Said, among others, declare, "The sanctions [on Iraq] are weapons of mass destruction."(4) The American Friends Service Committee has been very vocal in its opposition to U.S. sanctions policy, arguing that, "During the past ten years, sanctions have led to an almost complete breakdown in economic, medical, social, and educational structures."(5) When resigning from his UN post, Denis Halliday, the former United Nations Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq, declared, "We are in the process of destroying an entire society."(6)

Even some practitioners of U.S. foreign policy have questioned sanctions. Richard Haass, later appointed to head the State Department Policy Planning Staff, and Meghan O'Sullivan wrote in their comprehensive critique of sanctions, "Sanctions can be costly for innocent bystanders, particularly the poorest in the target country and American businesses and commercial interests. In addition, sanctions often evoke unintended consequences, such as the strengthening of obnoxious regimes."(7)

But where does the claim of mass death or even genocide in Iraq originate?
In short, with the Iraqi government itself. Saddam Husayn's government has since the mid-1990s claimed that United Nations sanctions had resulted in more than a million deaths. Surprisingly, Baghdad also prevented humanitarian organizations to conduct their own fieldwork to verify the claims. Unable to conduct their own large-scale surveying, some humanitarian organizations adopted Iraqi government figures, thus amplifying the claim. In 1995, for example, UNICEF estimated that more than 1.2 million Iraqis had died as a result of sanctions, while the US-based International Action Coalition claimed that by 1997, the economic embargo upon Iraq had killed 1.4 million people.(8)

Baghdad's claims were spacious, though. Iraq expert Amatzia Baram compared the country's population growth rates over the last three censuses and found there to be almost no difference between in the rate of Iraq's population growth between 1977 and 1987 (35.8 percent), and between 1987 and 1997 (35.1 percent).(9)

So how did the claim of more than a million sanctions-related deaths in Iraq persist? In 1999, UNICEF released a glossy, detailed report that again concluded that sanctions had contributed to the deaths of one million Iraqis. UNICEF did not complete the report independently however, but rather co-authored it with the Iraqi government's health ministry (according to the report's own front cover). It is this report that is most often cited by activists and journalists, although seldom do they refer to it as a joint publication of Saddam's government. Both current and former UN personnel admit this report to be problematic especially because its statistics come from the Iraqi government, which blocks independent information gathering.(10) Former UN officials related that many statistics are of questionable veracity.(11) One troubling sign of lack of objectivity is a map on the first page of the first chapter. While purporting to show the region, the map omits Kuwait, and makes it appear that the country is actually part of Iraq.(12) The inclusion of the map raises issue of what compromises UNICEF made to complete the study.

Many academics as well as those in the activist and conflict resolution communities nevertheless accept the UNICEF statistics at face value. However, a careful examination shows that the reported results make no sense. According to data presented in the report, the mortality rate for children under five years old and the infant mortality rate increased after the adoption of the oil-for-food program almost doubled caloric intake. For example, in 1995, the infant mortality rate allegedly was 98 deaths per thousand while, in 1998, it was 103 deaths per thousand. Likewise, the under five years old mortality rate reportedly rose to 125 deaths per thousand in 1998, from 117 in 1995.(13) Ironically, the suspicious implication here is that the reduction of sanctions increases suffering in Iraq.

Further, according to the UNICEF study, child mortality rose in the portion of Iraq controlled by Saddam Husayn from 56 per thousand before sanctions to 131 per thousand in 1999, a magnitude rise for which there is no evidence. Curiously, UNICEF (or perhaps the Iraqi government) did not provide a breakdown of the figures by quarters of Baghdad, where one-third of the Iraqi population lives. Accordingly, no comparison among various constituencies in the city is possible, to see if food is getting, for example, to Arab Sunnis, but not to Arab Shi'i or Kurds.(14)

However, a comparison can be made within the report between those areas under Saddam's control and those areas administered by the Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) and the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK). In Iraqi Kurdistan, the figures dropped from 80 per thousand before sanctions, to 72 per thousand. The far higher original figures for the north show the traditional neglect of that area by the Baghdad government.

At the same time, though, northern Iraq also faced both the same international sanctions as did Baghdad, additional sanctions imposed by the Saddam Husayn government, and had poorer medical facilities than the part of the country controlled by the Baghdad regime. The difference between falling mortality rates in the north and claims that these rates were rising elsewhere may be due to the fact that outsiders can measure statistics in the north. Thus, the numbers for Iraqi Kurdistan, showing a decline in child mortality, are more accurate than those for the part of the country ruled by the central government. The claim that child mortality increased by almost 250 percent is a fiction.

The increase in mortality in Iraqi government areas is also curious given the well-established food distribution system prior to the oil-for-food implementation in the center and south of the country, but not in the double-embargoed and civil war-torn northern governorates.(15)

Aside from the fact that the Iraqi statistics are themselves questionable, even if they had some validity, why did the Kurdish autonomy area fare better than the rest of the Iraq? The other answer is that the Kurdish administration not only budgeted oil-for-food income to benefit the population, but also used available discretionary tax revenues for development and services, while Saddam Husayn's government consistently sought to undermine the oil-for-food program, while using its smuggling and tax revenues to support its military.

In short, most of the evidence for claims of severe suffering under sanctions comes from the Iraqi government itself, whose record for veracity is not good and which has an obvious interest in exaggerating the deprivations of sanctions in order to end them and to turn international public opinion against its enemies.

Further undercutting the 1999 UNICEF report is an often ignored and independently produced September 2000 Food and Agriculture Report, written in collaboration with the World Health Organization, which found half of the Iraqi adult population to be overweight and one of the leading causes of mortality to be hypertension and diabetes, not commonly diseases of the hungry.(16)

Dismissing the value of the UNICEF/Iraqi government-authored survey does not indicate that there is not suffering in Iraq-reports from some (predominantly Shi'i) cities in southern Iraq indicate the situation is bad-but nowhere near the extent suggested by anti-sanctions activists and academics. Problems with the UNICEF/Iraqi government report also highlight the difficulty of balancing compromise with access.

Structural impediments on the ability of the UN to operate in Iraq outside of Baghdad's control raises further questions about the Iraqi government's desire to hide the true situation so it can make false claims about the humanitarian cost of sanctions. Under the terms of the 1996 Memorandum of Understanding, the Iraqi government controls visa issuance for UN employees, giving it effective veto power over the hiring of consultants and specialists.(17) Since 1998, Iraq has banned British and American citizens from UN jobs declaring them spies. In September, Iraq expelled a number of Nigerian and Bosnian UN workers on similar, unsubstantiated charges.

At the same time, however, officials in the Kurdish autonomous area of northern Iraq have no control over such personnel, though they complain that the World Health Organization, World Food Program, and UNICEF hire nationals from countries like Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, and Sudan whose governments are increasingly sympathetic to the Iraqi government, and who are often selected based upon their home government connections(18)

In a 2001 UNICEF report of its activities in Iraq over the past decade, one senior UNICEF employee spoke of having to "go through the report with a red pen" to remove the biased data and propaganda inserted by his predecessor, a Jordanian Palestinian.(19) Whatever the case with anyone's individual bias, the 1996 Memorandum of Understanding governing relief work creates a dynamic that discourages UN workers in Iraq from straying from Baghdad's official line. Because UN workers must renew their Iraq visas every six months, Baghdad can encourage self-censorship by forcing anyone whose views it doesn't like to leave the country. One German UN worker commented that his colleagues from poorer countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, and Somalia, were "scared to death" they might do something that might antagonize Baghdad and cause them to lose the best paying job they ever had.

Another problem is that local people make it difficult to achieve accurate survey results because of an understandable belief that exaggerating will result in more help for themselves.(20) One NGO working with disabled children, found three different families claiming the same mentally retarded child as a dependent, figuring each would get aid payments.

WHAT EXACTLY ARE THE SANCTIONS ON IRAQ?

International sanctions on Iraq have become a lightening rod for anti-American criticism, leading to calls for change even within the U.S. government (or, at least, within the State Department). Yet an examination of exactly what sanctions the UN imposed, and how they work contradicts many of the criticisms.

One fundamental problem is that it is easy to view sanctions as a blockade, an attempt to stop anything from getting in or out of Iraq. In fact, the sanctions have three important special features that make them into something quite different from a generalized blockade: First, the sanctions are selective, designed to keep out weapons and not food or medicine.

Second, the sanctions can be ended any time by a decision by the Iraqi government to cooperate. Such a choice would have let the regime stay in power and actually improved its political, diplomatic, and economic position-albeit at the cost of accepting reduced military power.

Third, the sanctions took the form of directed spending. Far from keeping the Iraqi government from spending money on food, housing, medicine, health or education, the sanctions regime tried to force a reluctant Iraqi government to put a larger proportion of its income into such social services.

Hours after Iraq invaded Kuwait on August 2, 1990, the UN Security Council condemned the invasion.(21) Iraq refused to withdrawal, so the Security Council adopted Resolution 661, which imposed comprehensive sanctions prohibiting import or exports of goods with Iraq (export for food and medicine) or investment in that country.(22) This is an important point since claims that sanctions are inflicting great suffering on Iraqi civilians often seem predicated on a belief that they block food and medicine from reaching the people.

After an extended air campaign and a 100-hour ground war, the UN and Iraq agreed to a cease-fire in March 1991, outlined in Resolution 687, many terms of which Iraq continues to violate.(23) The Resolution obligated Iraq to respect the inviolability of Kuwait's borders (an obligation Iraq threatened in 1994, and which Saddam Husayn's son 'Uday dismissed in a prominent December 30, 2000 article in the official Babil newspaper).(24) Resolution 687 also provides the basis for Iraqi payment of war damage compensation and for international inspections to locate and eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. The resolution noted that, under Saddam Husayn's government, Iraq was in contravention to many commitments, including the 1925 Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous, or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare; the 1989 Final Declaration of states party to the Geneva Convention in which Iraq obligated itself to the objective of eliminating chemical and biological weapons; the 1972 Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, and Stockpiling of Bacteriological (Biological) and Toxin Weapons and their Destruction; and the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.(25)

The Security Council also considered Iraq's threats to use weapons of mass destruction. Accordingly, UNSCR 687 mandated that Iraq "shall unconditionally accept" the destruction under international supervision of all biological and chemical weapons, and ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 kilometers. To verify this, the resolution authorized on-site UN inspections. This provided the basis for the UN special Commission (UNSCOM). However, Iraq consistently refused to cooperate. Swedish Ambassador and UNSCOM chief Rolf Ekeus reported that Iraq did not unconditionally accept inspections.

As UNSCOM began to investigate Iraq's methods of concealing its retained WMD capabilities, Iraq increased its resistance to inspections in direct contradiction to its commitments.(26)

Why have sanctions-and any consequent suffering for Iraq's people-lasted so long? The Iraqi government has deliberately rejected meeting its commitments to eliminate WMD, believing that international pressure will force an end to sanctions without its having to make any concessions. In order to force the UN to surrender, Baghdad has used five main strategies:
To intimidate the UN by making threats and refusing to cooperate.

To wear down its adversaries by stretching out the need to maintain sanctions over many years, when the issues could have been resolved in a much shorter time period.

To fool the UN by a superficial pretense to cooperation at times and by supplying misinformation. To undermine the coalition by offering various countries-notably China, France, and Russia-lucrative oil, arms, and other contracts to be implemented when sanctions are removed.

To gain support from international public opinion by depriving its own citizens of their material needs, exaggerate the suffering, and blame the problem on the United States. Portraying Iraq as a nation of hungry people and sick children became a cynical propaganda tool. Blaming foreigners for the regime's decisions and mismanagement could also increase domestic support for the government.

On one level, this strategy has met with a great deal of success. But at the same time this strategy has also failed to destroy sanctions (though they have been eroded). In short, Saddam Husayn has delayed Iraq's return to a better international, economic, and even military situation, but it has been his decision to do so.

The fact that the Iraqi government has once again victimized its own citizens is clear on a number of fronts. Consider two very telling examples. In both 1998 and 1999, Saddam Husayn repeatedly refused to order baby formula for his population even though he had the funds to do so and was urged to take such action by the UN.(27) In addition, while claiming to face dire food shortages, Iraq actually exported food to other countries.(28)

Perhaps the most important single case was that it was Saddam and not the United States or UN that delayed implementation of the oil-for-food program. Less than six months after the end of hostilities, the Security Council adopted resolutions to allow Iraq to sell its oil in order to provide revenue for the purchase of essential humanitarian supplies.(29)

However, the Iraqi government refused to accept the resolution.(30) The UN again sought to deliver food and humanitarian supplies to the people of Iraq. On April 14, 1995, the UN Security Council passed Resolution 986, the "oil-for-food" program.(31) Declaring the need for the "equitable distribution of humanitarian relief to all segments of the Iraqi population," the resolution created an escrow account for Iraqi oil proceeds. The UN in turn could use these proceeds to purchase supplies and monitor their distribution. Again, the Iraqi government refused to accept the program.(32) International pressure mounted on Saddam's government to allow relief, though he succumbed only after lack of hard currency income caused the value of the Iraqi Dinar to plummet.(33) On May 20, 1996, the UN Secretariat and the Iraqi government signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) to implement the oil-for-food program, almost five years after the UN first offered such assistance.(34) However, in order to get Saddam to let it help the Iraqi people the UN compromise in accepting Iraq's demands, setting up a system that made it easier for Baghdad to smuggle in military-related items. It allowed the Iraqi government to contract directly with suppliers, and to be the sole body allowed to request supplies.

Moreover, in exchange, the Iraqi government was supposed to "provide to United Nations personnel the assistance required to facilitate the performance of their functions," including "unrestricted freedom of movement." It repeatedly violated this commitment. According to Benon Sevon, executive director of the Iraq Program at the UN, as of July 11, 2001, the Iraqi government had failed to grant visas to 280 UN officials involved with the humanitarian program visas to do their jobs in Iraq.(35) One reason for this lack of cooperation may be to conceal corruption. Supplies are taken and resold on the market by Iraqi officials. The government turns a blind eye to such practices which, by benefiting loyalists, actually strengthen the regime itself.

Once implemented, however, the oil-for-food program did provide a huge pool of funds for humanitarian programs. The program initially allowed the Iraqi government to sell up to $2 billion in oil every 180 days, the proceeds of which could be used to purchase food and medicine, as well as to repair vital infrastructure. In 1999, the UN eliminated the cap on oil sales.(36) From the beginning of the program through August 2001, Iraq sold more than $46 billion in oil, an amount greater than initially anticipated because of the rise in world oil prices.(37)

Thus, the UN tried to ensure that the Iraqi people would have adequate food and medicine. The Iraqi government had the funds to do so and had dictated the arrangements for making such purchases. Yet it still did not fulfill these responsibilities. Indeed, the UN and the coalition have been more concerned about the welfare of the Iraqi people than was the Iraqi government.

This statement is most clearly proven by comparing the priorities of the Iraqi government and the sanctioning authorities. Before the invasion of Kuwait and imposition of sanctions, the Iraqi government spent less than 25 percent of its income on humanitarian programs.

However, under the sanctions regime, Iraq was ordered to allocate 72 percent of its oil income for humanitarian projects.(38) Another 25 percent is allocated to the compensation committee, while the UN applies 3 percent to administrative expenses. To cite only one example of what this oil-for-food funding has achieved, throughout all of Iraq it has supported almost $2 billion in housing contracts.(39) In short, Iraq's real objection is that while there is plenty of money for meeting the needs of the Iraqi people, there are supposed to be no funds left over for obtaining weapons.

THE CONTRAST IN IRAQI KURDISTAN

While Baghdad manages program implementation in regions of its control, the UN implements the humanitarian programs in the Kurdish-controlled north, funded by 13 percent of the total oil-sale revenue, a figure proportional to the northern governorates' population.(40) The Kurds very much value the 13 percent allocation, fear that they will lose the humanitarian guarantees if sanctions are lifted. Barham Salih, prime minister of the PUK's half of the Kurdistan Regional Government, recently called the oil-for-food program "truly revolutionary" in that "never before in our history have we had a government obliged by international law to devote Iraq's oil revenues to the well being of the Iraqi people."(41)

Despite its faults, the 1999 UNICEF/Iraqi government report highlighted the possible discrepancy between the situation in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq and the portions of Iraq under Saddam Husayn's rule. While the entire country remains under why is it that a large portion of the country run by an alternative administration is now healthier than before the imposition of sanctions? The very success of northern Iraq is all the more impressive given the region's desperate situation at the time sanctions were first imposed in 1990.

After all, two years earlier, the Iraqi government had carried out its Anfal campaign, an ethnic cleansing operation in which 182,000 people died, and hundreds of thousands more were displaced.(42)

Even though neither the Kurds nor the Iraqi government have spent the full amount of money allocated to them, Iraqi Kurdistan thrives, while Baghdad complains that the same sanctions cause suffering. The fact that the health and welfare of the northern governorates has increased since the implementation of the oil-for-food program indicates that it is Saddam's governance, and not sanctions, which causes suffering in Iraq. Such a comparison creates a dilemma for the aid community, which must confront evidence that suffering in Iraq is not due to lack of access to food, money, or humanitarian supplies, but instead may be intentional on the part of the Iraqi government. This observation is shared not only by Kurds, but also by Arab Iraqis living under Saddam, whom I met in the northern safe-haven. (Perhaps because of this, the Iraqi government is now curtailing freedom of travel between its area of control and the safe-haven).(43)

Everywhere in the safe-haven, blue signs announcing UN oil-for food projects are omnipresent, even in the smallest villages. According to Nasreen Mustafa Sideek, minister of reconstruction and development in Iraqi Kurdistan: "Since the programs began, more than 20,000 families throughout Iraqi Kurdistan have been provided with accommodation. Hundreds of schools with thousands of classrooms have been constructed and many more are being planned. Hundreds of kilometers of village access roads have been completed along with water systems, health centers, irrigation channels, veterinary centers, and other works."(44)

The sheer scale of reconstruction is impressive. In the Dahuk governorate, Saddam Husayn had destroyed 809 villages of an original 1,123. Since 1991, the Kurdish administration, relying heavily on oil-for-food income, rebuilt 470. In the Irbil governorate, the Iraqi government razed 1,205 of an original 1,497 villages. Already, the Kurdish government has been able rebuild 800. In the Sulaymaniyah governorate, where 1,992 of an original 2,035 villages were laid to waste, the Kurdish authorities have rebuilt 1,350. In the Dahuk and Irbil governorates alone, the oil-for-food program has spent $110 million so far on housing units, $27 million on schools, and $9 million on health centers, $37 million on water projects, and $7 million on sewage channels.(45)

Qualitatively, it is hard to go anywhere in northern Iraq without seeing the fruits of the sanctions-related development. The town of Sa'id Sadiq, razed by Saddam's forces in 1988, had been reconstructed. New schools dot dusty villages near the Turkish border. Sulaymaniyah, Irbil, and Dahuk have new sewer systems, telephone networks, and diesel-fueled 29-megawatt electrical generating plants.

In contrast to the situation in the areas ruled by the central government-which carefully escorts selected delegations and journalists-the ability to travel freely in the north allows an observer to judge the situation more accurately. These achievements are even more relatively impressive since they have been attained despite the constant infighting and lack of cooperation between the two ruling factions, while the rest of the country supposedly enjoys the potential benefits of having a single, well-established government apparatus. The fact that workers from non-UN humanitarian agencies can help in the north, while being barred from Iraqi government areas, is another factor, albeit a marginal one, contributing to the people's improved welfare (the budget of the 17 non-UN international NGOs operating in Iraqi Kurdistan is miniscule, and is generally limited to a few housing projects, a handful of clinics, and a small number of vocational centers.

NUTRITION: THREE MEALS A DAY: THE FRUIT OF SANCTIONS

Ironically, much of the international interpretation of sanctions, prompted by Iraqi propaganda, is the exact opposite of the intent and effort being made. While trying to pressure the Iraqi government to dispense with its WMD programs, the sanctions regime has also tried to force that same government to pay more attention to the needs of its own people.

The health and welfare of those in Iraq has increased tremendously, not only in northern Iraq, but also in Iraq proper, at least when the Iraqi government does not interfere with the implementation of the oil-for-food program. It is difficult to be hungry when receiving oil-for-food rations. Each month, every man, woman, and child in Iraq receives 9 kilograms of wheat flour, 3 kilograms of rice, 2 kilograms of sugar, 0.2 kilograms of tea, 1.5 kilograms of vitamin A-fortified cooking oil, 3.6 kilograms of milk powder, an additional kilogram of dried whole milk and/or cheese, 0.8 kilograms of fortified weaning cereal, 1.5 kilograms of pulses (vegetable protein), and 0.15 kilograms of iodized salt. To ensure that every individual receives the minimum stipulated rations, retail agents are provided with an additional four percent of flour, rice, and pulses, two percent sugar, oil, salt, and 0.5 percent tea above their local needs. All told, rations support a diet of 2,472 kilocalories per day, double the food intake in 1996, before the program's implementation.(46)

As of June 31, 2001, the oil-for-food program had bought more than $7 billion in rations. Contrary to the complaints of some anti-sanctions activists, the UN Security Council had absolutely no food contracts on hold. Importantly, the ration package does not include fresh fruits and vegetables many Iraqis grow themselves, buy in the market, or for which they trade excess. Because the UN does not buy local produce, the fruits of local agriculture are also cheaper; farmers are desperate for a market.

While still serving as the UN Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq, Hans Von Sponeck, insinuated that the food basket supplied by the oil-for-food program could be enlarged if the Iraqi government requested it-only Baghdad repeatedly refused to order more food. In November 1999, the Secretary General of the United Nations reported Iraqi government "under procurement" of food was a serious problem. Indeed, for ten months in 1998 and 1999, despite adequate oil-for-food revenue, the Iraqi government simply refused to order pulses, resulting in reduced rations though out the country.(47)

Indeed, Iraqis eat much better than those in most neighboring and regional countries. Most Iraqis interviewed said they ate at least some meat five times per week. In contrast, Iranians in Tehran said they often eat meat only once per month.(48) Under the terms of the oil-for-food ration system, every resident of Iraq is entitled to a ration card. Registration centers compile lists of families and households that are then processed at a computer center, copies of which then are distributed to both the retail ration agent and the local food distribution centers. However, interviews with recently displaced persons arriving in the northern safe-haven from Iraqi government-controlled territory indicate that the Iraq government is regularly confiscating the UN ration cards of its own citizens. One woman in Kalar complained that when she refused to divorce her husband, whom the Iraqi government accused of supporting the opposition, the Iraqi government expelled her four children from school and confiscated the family's ration cards.(49)

Many residents of the internally-displaced persons camp, all ethnic Kurds or Turkmens expelled from their homes in or near Kirkuk by Saddam's government, reported that police first confiscated their UN ration cards to force them to move.(50)

Many Iraqis find it disturbing that proponents of lifting sanctions on Iraq trust Saddam Husayn to not use food as a weapon, given not only his ongoing violations of international law, but also the precedent of the 1980's, when he waged war not only upon Iran, but also upon his own people.

HEALTHCARE UNDER SANCTIONS

The healthcare situation in the north has also benefited under the oil-for-food program. According to the director of one of northern Iraq's maternity hospitals, fertility is increasing. In 1990, there were 6,669 babies born in the hospital, while a decade later the figure was 11,455. The rise in fertility has not been steady. Indeed, in the early years of sanctions when Kurds also faced a blockade from Saddam, fertility decreased. It stayed below 1990 levels until 1998, when the hospital first felt the sustained benefits of the oil-for-food program. And of course problems and shortages of facilities remain. The doctor complained that on a single table per day, there could be three or four deliveries, not leaving the staff adequate time for sterilizing instruments.(51)

Generally, however, drugs and medical supplies are available, though doctors and medical administrators in the safe haven complain of Iraqi government obstructionism, and an indifferent, inefficient UN bureaucracy that often is unresponsive and slow. The director of one general hospital, for example, complained that endoscopy equipment ordered in Phase III of the oil-for-food program (each phase refers to a six month cycle) still has not arrived. Of the 40 ultrasound monitors requested, only ten had arrived by January 2001. The hospital director complained that he could get no one at the World Health Organization to explain the discrepancy or the status of the equipment order.(52) Often, vaccinations and other oil-for-food drug purchases fall short of needs.(53) An administrator at a northern Iraqi teaching hospital said that in a single year he must spend approximately $50,000 for medicines outside the oil-for-food program. Ironically, pharmacists say that about 20 percent of drugs on street markets come from Iraqi UN employees siphoning off and selling medicine from UN warehouses in Iraqi government-controlled areas. Since the Iraqi government determines which Iraqis can work for foreign and UN organizations, such jobs often go to Ba'th party loyalists (an issue which also raises issues about the accuracy of UN reports).(54)

Not only do Iraqi officials block the distribution of food and medicine for their "own" people but also attempt to sabotage supplies for the northern safehaven, attempting to weaken the "rebel" government there.

For example, a high-level health ministry official in the north notes that despite having the oil-for-food money and submitting orders well ahead of schedule, the Iraqi government still systematically refused to order enough medicine for the northern governorates. On September 3, 2001, PUK Health Minister Yadgar Heshmet complained of problems in obtaining such essentials as surgical gloves, sutures, as well as oncology drugs and kidney dialysis machines.(55)

Certainly, the oil-for-food program does not work perfectly, both PUK and KDP health ministry officials and hospital workers agreed that the health care income generated because of the sanctions regime has saved lives and had an overall positive benefit. Far from the images of overcrowded hospitals portrayed on official Iraqi government television and escorted tours for journalist and anti-sanctions activists, hospital pharmacies in Halabja, Sulaymaniyah, Dahuk, Zakho, and Irbil were well-stocked with supplies and no patients shared beds.(56) In Dahuk, the hospital administrators showed newly-delivered Siemens CAT scan and mammography units upon which staff were training.(57) As of June 30, 2001, more than $1.3 billion in medical equipment had arrived in Iraq under the oil-for-food program, with more than $500 million more approved and in the delivery pipeline.(58)

SELECTIVE REPORTING: IS WATER TO BLAME?

Increasingly, anti-sanctions activists blame the quality of water for death and misery in Iraq, and accuse the United States and Britain of deliberately degrading Iraq's water purification systems. In a cover story in the British monthly, The Progressive, George Washington University instructor Thomas Nagy argued that, "the U.S. government intentionally used sanctions against Iraq to degrade the country's water supply after the Gulf War."(59) He based his arguments on declassified U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency documents posted on a Defense Department website dedicated to information relating to Gulf War syndrome.(60) He concluded that the U.S. government sought purposely to undermine Iraq's potable water supply in order to increase pressure on Saddam Husayn's regime.

Nagy's analysis is problematic. He relies on documents more than ten years old, and systematically ignores documents written after the war, when a greater flow of information existed. Nagy's citations themselves are quite selective. For example, one document not cited by Nagy concludes, "Restoration of Iraq's public health services and shortages of major medical materiel apparently are being emphatically exploited by Saddam Husayn in an effort to keep public opinion firmly against the U.S. and its Coalition allies and to keep blame away from the Iraqi government."(61) Nagy dismissed another document in the same collection because it had "a distinct damage-control feel to it," even though in this case Nagy appears to apply the "damage control" label because the document provides evidence that contradicts Nagy's thesis.(62) The document in question reads: "Disease incidence above pre-war levels is more attributable to the regime's inequitable post-war restoration of public health services rather than the effects of the war and United Nations (UN)-imposed sanctions. Although current countrywide infectious disease incidence in Iraq is higher than it was before the Gulf War, it is not at the catastrophic levels that some groups predicted. The Iraqi regime will continue to exploit disease incidence data for its own political purposes."(63)

Nagy concludes by arguing that the U.S. government is guilty of violating the Geneva Convention. While the documentary evidence eviscerates Nagy's conclusions, the case raises ethical questions as to how activists deal with facts on the ground that may contradict political ideology. This problem is heightened in the case of Iraq, since access to the real feelings of ordinary Iraqis still living in the country remains so hard to obtain. Water purity is a problem is some areas of Iraq, much as it is in areas of southern Iran and Bahrain, where it is heavily saline and not potable. In northern Iraq, quality is extremely good: bottled water is not widely available in Irbil or Sulaymaniyah, and most foreigners drink the water without getting sick. Water is also of adequate quality in large government-controlled cities like Baghdad, Mosul, and Kirkuk, according to Iraqi travelers. However, the quality of water declines in the predominantly Shi'i cities of Basra and Nasiriya. Nevertheless, the oil-for-food program has already spent more than $1 billion in water and sanitation projects in Iraq.(64)

Baghdad estimates that providing adequate sanitation and water resources would cost an additional $328 million. However, such an allocation is more than possible given the billions of dollars in oil revenue Baghdad receives each year under sanctions, and the additional $1 billion dollars per year it receives from transport of smuggled oil on the Syrian pipeline alone.(65) Indeed, if Saddam Husayn's government has managed to spend more than $2 billion for new presidential palaces since the end of the Persian Gulf War, and offer to donate nearly $1 billion to support the Palestinian intifada, there is no reason to blame sanctions for any degradation in water and sanitation systems.(66)

HOW TO LIE WITH STATISTICS: TRYING TO IGNORE THE NORTH

Northern Iraq presents a problem for both Saddam Husayn and human rights' advocates like those from the American Friends Service Committee, Voices in the Wilderness, and the Campaign Against Sanctions on Iraq ideologically opposed to sanctions. After all, northern Iraq suffered much more damage from war-though ironically mostly at the hands of Iraq's own army-than the rest of the country.

Yet that area has been rebuilt due to the sanctions system. The comparison between northern Iraq and the rest of the country puts the onus of responsibility for the humanitarian tragedy on Saddam, not sanctions. Accordingly, many opponents of sanctions actively seek to undermine this comparison. Some anti-sanctions campaigners argue that the north receives disproportionate income.

The root of this complaint is that while the northern governorates receive income proportional to their population, the rest of Iraq is shortchanged because of Iraqi payments to the compensation committee. Indeed, parts of Iraq controlled by Saddam receive just 59 percent of the oil-for-food revenue.(67) If accounted this way, then the north does receive slightly more per capita than the rest of Iraq, but not nearly so much as some anti-sanctions activists claim. They argue that the north receives 22 percent of the total humanitarian income. Actually, the figure is closer to 14.5 percent, when one includes the population of PUK-controlled towns such as Kalar, Kifri, and Darbandikan in the Kirkuk (Ta'mim) governorate.

A former high official in the UN's Office of the Humanitarian Coordinator in Iraq (UNOCHI) also noted that northern Iraq has started from a lower baseline, because Saddam Husayn's government had razed 4,006 out of 4,655 villages, and forced northern Iraq to accommodate more than 800,000 internally-displaced persons, one-quarter of whom have been expelled from their homes in portions of Iraq governed by Saddam Husayn since the end of 1991.(68)

However, even if Iraqi Kurdistan did receive disproportionate income in the early years of the oil-for-food program, the combination of the rise in world oil prices and the five percent increase in the allotment of revenue to go to Baghdad means that the portion of Iraq administered by Saddam should be doing at least as well as Iraqi Kurdistan had been. The per capita income available in Saddam's Iraq is now far higher than it was in Iraqi Kurdistan, and yet the Iraqi government continues to either not spend the revenue available, or not spend it wisely.(69)

Opponents of sanctions also sometimes dismiss northern Iraq's success under sanctions because of the so-called "cash component" granted to northern Iraq by the United Nations.(70) The United Nations pays the administrative costs to implement its programs in northern Iraq, but the Iraqi government has to pay the implementation costs in the portion of the country it administers. The reasoning behind this is that the UN is administering the oil-for-food program in the northern Iraqi governorates on behalf of the government of Iraq, and does not formally recognize the democratically elected administration in northern Iraq.

Further, the northern administration developed in a vacuum created by the unilateral withdrawal of Iraqi government administration in 1991. While the center-south controlled by Saddam Husayn enjoys basic governmental infrastructure, northern Iraq initially did not. Northern Iraq's success comes despite constant impediments laid down by Baghdad which, under terms of the 1996 Memorandum of Understanding, has acquired the means to block visas for UN workers and thus derail UN programs. The latest report by the Secretary-General of the UN on Phase X of the oil-for-food program concluded, "the effective implementation of the [oil-for-food] programme in the three northern governorates.has also been adversely affected by the inordinate delays in the granting of visas to United Nations personnel, as well as the difficulties encountered in the importation of esential equipment and supplies."(71) Most damning to arguments about disproportionate funding in the north is that, according to oil-for-food coordinators in Irbil, northern Iraq has so far only spent half the money actually allocated to it.

Often, the anti-sanctions crowd argues that the blame for any lack of recovery in Saddam's Iraq lies not with Saddam's administration, but with the holds placed on goods at the behest of the United States. It is true that some material is on hold. For example, after the chemical weapons attacks of the 1980s, the United Nations does look suspiciously upon requests for crop dusters and aerial sprayers. However, only 13 percent of the total contracts (by value) are on hold, and many of these will be allowed to proceed once the Iraqi government completes missing paper work or elaborates on where and how the goods will be used(72).

It is true that the United Nations bureaucracy is slow, clumsy, and inefficient, but UN ineptitude remains constant over both northern Iraq and those regions controlled by Saddam, and therefore cannot be considered a major reason for suffering. Rather, much of the problem rests in the Iraqi government simply refusing to order goods. For example, as of September 15, 2001, the Iraqi government had failed to even allocate almost $2 billion dollars.

When the Iraqi government does proceed with contracting, it inexplicably delays submitting the paperwork to the United Nations. According to the latest report of the Secretary General of the United Nations, the Iraqi government tends to wait between a month and a month and a half between signing contracts and submitting relevant applications to United Nations committees.(73)

CONCLUSIONS

The success of northern Iraq under sanctions poses a challenge to anti-sanctions activists, who continue to cling to the hypothesis that it is sanctions and not Saddam Husayn causing suffering in Iraq. However, rather than dismiss such evidence (and harming ordinary Iraqis in the process), the human rights community should instead embrace the sanctions on Iraq as a tool to rebuild the society and protect basic human rights for people living under an uncaring dictatorship. In condemning the sanctions regime, the implicit argument is that the benign Saddam Husayn government wants to take care of its people and is being prevented from exercising its humanitarian intention by foreign imperialists who are the real war criminals. One can well doubt that the Iraqi people themselves accept this interpretation, though they are unlikely to say so in public precisely because they know the brutality of that government. The day after the "smart sanctions" plan was announced, an Iraqi farmer near the Iranian border asked me, "Why do they talk about war crimes one day, and reward Saddam the next?"(74)

Relatively few non-military tools exist in peacetime to change the behavior of rogue regimes, regardless of how one chooses to define them. Sanctions remain a powerful tool that should not be abandoned. In the case of Iraq, sanctions can be used to preserve basic rights. Lifting sanctions would allow Saddam Husayn to renew his aggressive policy and encourages others to behave the same way. Moreover, it would not benefit and might well even harm the Iraqi people.

Given the fact that Saddam prefers to have sanctions rather than give up his WMD capacity, and that he has spent billions of dollars on presidential palaces and a special amusement park for Baath Party officials, it is hard to argue that the triumph of human rights and humanitarian considerations require returning Iraqis to his total control.(75) * Michael Rubin is an adjunct fellow of The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, currently resident in Jerusalem at Hebrew University's Leonard Davis Institute for International Relations. He lived nine months during the academic year 2000-2001 as a Carnegie Council fellow in Iraq, where he taught English and history in the universities of Sulaymani, Salahuddin, and Dahuk, and previously was a lecturer in history at Yale University. He has lived in and traveled extensively in Iran, the Arab world, Israel, and Central Asia, and is the author of a newly-published monograph, Into the Shadows: Radical Vigilantes in Khatami's Iran (Washington Institute for Near East Policy, 2001).
 
@KaiserWilhelm

I was zeolously reading (rather scanning :D) your quoted texts (very interesting but a way too long *g*) and I perceive most, but not all, things as Kogan does... however he was obviously a way too concentrated choping on the military weakness of europe and mentioning the hegemony of the US and the involved disputes instead of commenting some further important issues such as vietnam where the US isn't that innocent at all.....that's why I don't fully coincide with him.

An important issue of this text was the hesitation of europe to unleash and deploy their available units in the balkan where a martyrer (milosevic) threatened to extinguish innocent lifes... the European Unity including germany, france and GB attempted to continue negotiating while milosevic was on the top exploiting his own people pretending it would be for the god's sake of his people.

After leaving exacerbated criticism on the intervening of US groups in the balkan area, the leading EU countries finally formed a peace troup consisting of soldiers from GB, France and Germany to monitor the area in order to guarantee peace and to maintain the fundamental rights of the threatened bosnia people. Nevertheless this is an utterly intensive issue because the serbia people partly felt restricted and provocated and with milosevic swinging the cepter the situation escalated, it would have escalated at another point without milosevic though...however I'm drifting away from the main topic.



Now back to the main subject of this topic, to the iraq and hussein conflict. First of all I've to admit that europe doesn't give a damn about the iraq issue, the europeans wouldn't have under any circumstances tried to disrupt hussein and the network of radical Islamists, the only things they concentrate on, like in the balkan conflict, are urging saddam hussein to stop teasing his own people while he's invading another country enriching his resources with more oil. The US at least intervenes aiming to solve the matter indepently, unfortunately the mainly pursue their own intentions (acquiring new oil, etc.)..instead of concentrating primarily on helping people out of the pinch the try to get their hands on the oil and this really bothers me making me feel ashamed for my own fellows who only seek advantages for our country (e.g. it wasn't a necessity that the US goverment dispatched ammunition amplified with Uran), I really condemn such politics..
Nevertheless I think that not the sanctions imposed by the US government are responsible for the suffering of the innocents, hussein is the real burden for the country exploiting his own people, blaming the united states for the predicament of iraq while branching all the money that was supposed for nutrition and medical supplements to his own pocket.
I'd appreciate a politic comprising of both, european and US stragedies and problems should be solved together for the people, and not for their own interests, but I'm just dreaming.

I assume I'm going to harvest a lot of complainst now :D preferable from people like Mephistopheles, the undisputed master in pasting anti-american articles, I think he should already deserve a price for the most engaged man on this board devaluing american politics and efforts - while his own government including other EU members such as France, GB, etc (but not all!) aren't perfect either , witnessing everything what's going all around but are too hampered to act indepently without waiting for the US pals to take care of the matter (balkan).

Summarized, neither the USA nor the EU are perfect, all are lacking in different ways and as an american living in europe I'm experiencing new cultures and other politics, europeans are approaching things differently, it isn't better or worser, it's just in a different way.

have a nice evening and take care of you all,

Chris
 
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mein vergleich ist nicht ganz abwegig, denn damals hat der irak aufgerüstet und die USA haben eingegriffen. ich hoff, dass er nicht dumm ist und sowas nochmal probiert, denn dann sind alle länder der UNO(oder?) daran beteiligt. und allein so eine aktion durch zuziehn wär ohne bündnispartner schwierig.
 
Hey Majin,

I totally agree with you about emphasizing both, the advantages and the disadvantages of the "european" and the US communities.

One of the main "anti-american" issues of the past months in germany was Bush dividing the world into good and evil. Even though I agree with thought behind those critics to some point, I don`t really see a big differences to what they do at the same time. It`s always the big bad america that is guilty for everything bad in the world.

Children in Iraq die? Forget Hussein, it`s the US who "kill" them. Planes crash into the WTC? Well, what else was bin Laden able to do to articulate his indignation about the us marines in Saudi Arabia?

I`m really getting sick of this... Especially when there is criticism as a one way street. Terrorists, extremists and dictators all over the world treat their people in an awful way and no matter what the USA do, THEY are blamed for it in one way or another. If they interfere, they ONLY do so for their own benefit and their own interests. If they don`t interfere, they are probably blamed by the same people for letting others suffer and die.

Nobody in europe cares about the danger that Hussein means. They are so naively in that matter, I can`t believe it. Only the christian democrats represent the opinion, that in first place Saddam and not the U.S. is the bad guy. When the first atom bomb made in Baghdad hits Berlin, everybody will know what appeasement politic is good for.

Which other reasons could Saddam have to not let the inspectors into his country?

Well, maybe we have the same destiny which Kassandra suffered from, 3000 years ago... To know what will happen in the future and not beeing able to convince anyone of it :rolleyes:
 
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Hey Majin,

I totally agree with you about emphasizing both, the advantages and the disadvantages of the "european" and the US communities.

What about the advantages and disadvantages of the Iraq or Afghanistan? You´re forgetting something, pals.

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One of the main "anti-american" issues of the past months in germany was Bush dividing the world into good and evil. Even though I agree with thought behind those critics to some point, I don`t really see a big differences to what they do at the same time. It`s always the big bad america that is guilty for everything bad in the world.
That´s not my point of criticism. He, or better the USA is NOT consequent. Either they should leave the arabian countries alone or they should watch over the protection of human rights and stuff. But they only interfere, if it´s profitable. If it´s of use. THAT really pisses me off.
They tell us, they fight for peace and freedom, but at the same time, they helped dictators like Saddam Hussein and the chilenian one (forgot his name) to get their hands on power. They accept thousands of people being slaughtered, if only their precious oil doesn´t stop flowing.
They fight for no reason than money and might. THAT is, what I critizise about the U.S.A.
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Children in Iraq die? Forget Hussein, it`s the US who "kill" them. Planes crash into the WTC? Well, what else was bin Laden able to do to articulate his indignation about the us marines in Saudi Arabia?
most of the medical products are sanctioned, because they could possibly be used for chemical weapons. 500% rise of cancer rate, caused by the uranium-hardened-ammunition, lying around everywhere.
The death of the children is not at all Hussein´s fault. The death of their parents maybe - that I do not know - but not the children, sorry Willy

I am still waiting for the promised proof of his guilt. -.-
And besides, even IF he did it, it is understandable, because it is the pure (probably cold) anger unleashed. But the american way is pure greed and hunger for power unleashed.
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I`m really getting sick of this... Especially when there is criticism as a one way street. Terrorists, extremists and dictators all over the world treat their people in an awful way and no matter what the USA do, THEY are blamed for it in one way or another. If they interfere, they ONLY do so for their own benefit and their own interests. If they don`t interfere, they are probably blamed by the same people for letting others suffer and die.
I´m getting sick of being lectured for things I didn´t say.
I NEVER agreed or even sympathized with islamistic fundamentalists. I´m a strict opponent of all religion. I just mention facts, others do seemingly not know or believe.

And YES, the States ARE blamed for this, and these people are damn right, because the U.S.A. in most of the cases of dictatorship even implemented the dictators. They trained the troops or helped out with money.
Chile, Iraq, Afghanistan, to name the best known examples.
If they don´t interfere, they are guilty to let them suffer. If they DO interfere, they are guilty of greed. If they would interfere for human rights and for the sake of the people, I wouldn´t complain, BUT THEY DON`T!!!
Me too believed at the beginning, that they would now clean the world of the nightmares, they created. I really thought, they would care from now on. But even the Afghanistan war was only for oil. ONLY for oil! I don´t get, how anyone can be that careless for human life, to play with war.
Well, got carried away.
Maybe they´re getting things done in Iraq now. And maybe they´ll clean up the dirt and blood, they spilled.
I hope so.
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Nobody in europe cares about the danger that Hussein means. They are so naively in that matter, I can`t believe it. Only the christian democrats represent the opinion, that in first place Saddam and not the U.S. is the bad guy. When the first atom bomb made in Baghdad hits Berlin, everybody will know what appeasement politic is good for.
Tell this George Bush senior. He didn´t want to eliminate the threat, though he must have known of it. That´s good politics, huh? Starting a war with a Psycho and not bringing him to fall. I ask myself, who the real Weirdo was back then.:confused2
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Which other reasons could Saddam have to not let the inspectors into his country?
Pride, what else? Weapons will only be there following this pride. The denying of defeat. Fact is, that people starve and die because of the USA and Saddam. The winner is responsible for the people of the looser. But the USA don´t care.
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Well, maybe we have the same destiny which Kassandra suffered from, 3000 years ago... To know what will happen in the future and not beeing able to convince anyone of it :rolleyes:
But maybe you have the same destiny as Hektor. To be slain in a battle, that your brother began, not seeing his fault.
 
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